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Gear Talk => Lens Talk => Topic started by: Akira on November 09, 2015, 19:54:51
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Perhaps the rarest Repro Nikkor among the known ones, the 170mm f1.4, is on eBay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/262131394721?rmvSB=true
Although there is now usual "may not ship to Japan" disclamer, all the description is quoted, probably without permission, from the "Redbook Nikkor" website by the famous Japanese collector of industrial Nikkor lenses Mr. Akiyama. :(
Nevertheless, the lens should take the Heligon 100/1.5 users to another level! :D
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Akira, you are free to buy it and ship it to my address if Japan is out of the question 8)
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A cool $ 50,000 as a starting bid....
Oh well. I already own a Repro-Nikkor so that'll have to do.
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Akira, you are free to buy it and ship it to my address if Japan is out of the question 8)
Jakov, I would be willing to bid, but I believe the billing and the shipping addresses have to conincide. :P
Oh well. I already own a Repro-Nikkor so that'll have to do.
Bjørn, I know, but this one offers thinner DOF than 85/1.0, if I understand correctly. (oh, I miss that beloved devil emoticon!)
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It's twice as long and one stop slower. So about the same behaviour, I'd guess.
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It's twice as long and one stop slower. So about the same behaviour, I'd guess.
Or, it should be similar to that of 300/2.8 at the same magnification factor.
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Sadly I miss the boat too "May not ship to South Africa "
it is a beauty tho!
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I think I'll add it to my collection (the specifications and serial number that is... :) )
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Roland, at least you get something out of this deal ;D
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It's been there for quite a while, relisted again and again at the same crazy fantasy price. You'd think the intended seller would get the message eventually.
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Sadly I miss the boat too "May not ship to South Africa "
it is a beauty tho!
Elsa, we missed the boat but maybe we are lucky!
I think I'll add it to my collection (the specifications and serial number that is... :) )
Roland, I guess what you added to your collection are those two Micro Nikkor 70/5.0? :)
It's been there for quite a while, relisted again and again at the same crazy fantasy price. You'd think the intended seller would get the message eventually.
Bill, maybe you are right. I've seen other offerings of rare Nikkors on ebay stealing Mr. Akiyama's webpages.
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As soon as Elsa finds a rich husband she will gift it to me <3
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As soon as Elsa finds a rich husband she will gift it to me <3
only if you collect it yourself.
If I find a rich husband - I can afford to keep you too.
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You have me already regardless of the Repro Nikkor or the rich husband :)
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That's a serious price for a single lens. What's so special about it, other than it being rare?
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It is apparently become a collector's item, and which that good bye to rational price levels ....
It is a well made lens made for slide duplicating work at 1:1 (not read the 'Red Book', but I surmise it operates the same way as my Repro 85 mm f/1, only for a larger format).
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Thanks, silly price for sure, but many things is sold for silly prices: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/modiglianis-nu-couche-sells-170-4-million-second-highest-price-n460326
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According to the Red Book Nikkor, the image circle and the intended magnification factor of 170/1.4 is the same as those of 85/1.0. I'm not sure of the reason for the variation for the seemingly same purpose. The different reproduction units require different working distance perhaps?
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Roland, at least you get something out of this deal ;D
Actually, no. The serial number is not visible in the pictures, I asked the seller but I received a rather unhelpful reply. Not someone I would want to deal with...
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Don't bash the seller Akira. Akiyama-San even has a special site of the collection of that very same person.
And indeed, Kiril Arsov is rather a handful when it comes to commuinication, I had that "pleasure" too a while ago... ;-)
Here is the collection showing this very same lens on front page:
http://homepage2.nifty.com/akiyanroom/redbook-e/collection/kiril1.html (http://homepage2.nifty.com/akiyanroom/redbook-e/collection/kiril1.html)
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Hi, Klaus, I'm pretty sure that Mr. Akiyama has received the permission from Mr. Arsov to use his images of those rare lenses. And I would bet that the layout of the page you linked was created by Mr. Akiyama using the images provided by Mr. Arsov.
So, I still believe that the seller stole the page from Red Book Nikkor. As you know, this is not the first case we have ever observed...
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Am I wrong in believing you could have a replica of the lens custom-made for less than the asking price? Maybe the glass types would not be 100% the same, but still.
But even for a pure collector's market, the starting price does not make sense (if the seller wants to actually sell the lens, that is). If the demand was there, it should reach this sort of price by itself.
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I tend to see this as a marketing strategy so people come to associate these lenses with elevated asking prices.
If anyone should be foolish enough to pay such a price, then from a seller's perspective nothing would be better :D
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I have seen a lens shortly that looks pretty much like that one. It is builtin to the last analogue projector in my favorite movie theatre (they switched to digital)
Are these projector lenses from a cinema good for taking photos?
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Projector lenses for professional movie theaters should be of high optical quality. But unfortunately I have no idea of their focal length, speed or adaptability...
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Thanks, silly price for sure, but many things is sold for silly prices
If you actually paid $50K for this lens you wouldn't dare use it for the things it should be used for. Imagine if you dropped it...
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I have the 85mm Repro Nikkor. For me this is a one-trick pony and difficult to use at that. No focusing, etc. Perhaps it would make a good relay lens. I keep getting it out, shooting with it, and putting it away. It really is an interesting lens, but (for me) it has been hard to find a use for it. I would rather use the CRT-Nikkor or EL Nikkor APO 105.
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Neither the Repro 85/1 nor the CRT 55/1.2 has a focusing mechanism. Although the optical designs are different, both are high quality performers in their field and none of them were designed for broad-spectrum "white light". So basically the main difference is the Repro gives you around 1:1 and the CRT 1:3 or thereabouts. Both are inspirational tools at times when you feel a urge to break out of the box as it were. If you on the other hand really wants a quality lens for general close-ups, many other lenses can do better to that end.
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Hi, Klaus, I'm pretty sure that Mr. Akiyama has received the permission from Mr. Arsov to use his images of those rare lenses. And I would bet that the layout of the page you linked was created by Mr. Akiyama using the images provided by Mr. Arsov.
So, I still believe that the seller stole the page from Red Book Nikkor. As you know, this is not the first case we have ever observed...
Akira, hello .... that seller IS Kiril Arsov himself, I thought that got clear... ;) ;) ;)
If you look at his completed auctions, its gets very clear that those are very inflated...
http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?item=262131394721&rmvSB=true&LH_Complete=1&_ssn=ultramicronikkor&LH_PrefLoc=2 (http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?item=262131394721&rmvSB=true&LH_Complete=1&_ssn=ultramicronikkor&LH_PrefLoc=2)
Nearly $1.200 for a FUJINON 0.85/25mm is at least a factor three too high ...
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I have seen a lens shortly that looks pretty much like that one. It is builtin to the last analogue projector in my favorite movie theatre (they switched to digital)
Are these projector lenses from a cinema good for taking photos?
Projector lenses for professional movie theaters should be of high optical quality. But unfortunately I have no idea of their focal length, speed or adaptability...
I use quite a few these days, adapted with focusing mounts even some with added iris. Very pleased with the results I am....
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5627/22906228965_892a8cfaf3_o.jpg)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/596/22278930088_80137dee8c_o.jpg)
This is using a 1.6/100mm Zeiss Jena VISIONAR fully open...
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Akira, hello .... that seller IS Kiril Arsov himself, I thought that got clear... ;) ;) ;)
If you look at his completed auctions, its gets very clear that those are very inflated...
http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?item=262131394721&rmvSB=true&LH_Complete=1&_ssn=ultramicronikkor&LH_PrefLoc=2 (http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?item=262131394721&rmvSB=true&LH_Complete=1&_ssn=ultramicronikkor&LH_PrefLoc=2)
Nearly $1.200 for a FUJINON 0.85/25mm is at least a factor three too high ...
Klaus, thanks for straightening things up! Congratulations on his successfully set the standard for the COM-Nikkor 37/1.4. :D
Your maple leaf image looks nice! The Visionar seems to be sharper than the Rodenstock with the same spec.
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Thanks Akira, appreciate it.
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Hopefully some of you lens design geniuses can educate me.
I understand the F-number of a typical photography lens to be focal length divided by entrance aperture diameter.
If I'm right, that is based on focus at infinity.
Some of my macro lenses will start to read smaller apertures as I focus closer. Hence the effective f number goes up.
I have the 85mm Repro and it is wonderfully sharp, and resolves a lot of detail. I like it for focus stacking in the 1:1 - 1.75:1 mag range.
However, it has 48mm threads so it has no where near an 85mm aperture. Is that why it is listed as an effective aperture of less than 1.0?
Does that affect DOF and light gathering equally?
It is certainly very bright and has razor thin DOF at f1.0!
-Royal
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The entrance pupil of the Repro-Nikkor 85 mm f/1 is 87 mm in diameter. Hence its f-number, by definition, is f/1.
As the lens is perfectly symmetric, its effective aperture at 1:1 is f/2.
(standard equation) Neff=N*(1+m)
where N=f-number and m=magnification (pupil factor =1 in this case)
It is worth remembering that the pupils are virtual quantities and thus not directly physically linked to the lens measurements. The pupils can be in- or outside the lens assembly.
To your last questions, 'no' is the answer to both. Magnification is already factored into the 'DOF' equation. The entrance pupil is the depiction of the physical aperture (opening), so is a virtual quantity, and acts as the collector of light on behalf of the optical assembly.
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Thank you, Bjorn
So the entrance pupil is what I "see" when I look through the lens, and it appears that there is a large circle of light - larger than the actual lens. That's the 87mm pupil I see, I take it.
Appreciate the quick response!