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Gear Talk => Camera Talk => Topic started by: Frank Fremerey on September 01, 2015, 01:19:36

Title: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Frank Fremerey on September 01, 2015, 01:19:36
1) TAKE ANY MODERN CAMERA
2) put her her on ISO frenzy fancy whatever might be in the menu
3) dial in "M" right time and aperture to expose
4) press the shutter
5) post here
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: pluton on September 01, 2015, 06:59:00
Done without getting up from the bed.
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Akira on September 01, 2015, 08:45:40
D7000 at Hi2, AF-S 35/1.8 ED.  The overall rendition reminds me of the Kodacolor 1000, the then fastest consumer color negs released in the early 80s.
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Akira on September 01, 2015, 08:46:52
Panasonic GF5 at ISO 6400, Samyang 7.5/3.5 fisheye.  Panasonic is very efficient in surpressing the chrominance noise while leaving the luminance noise.
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Frank Fremerey on September 01, 2015, 11:37:23
The Why: I see that everybody here tries to showcase what can be done at

-- base ISO
-- super sturdy tripod
-- multi thousand Euro special glass
-- MUP and remote control and EFC
-- stacking and HDR and panography

But in the time we examine this highly refined options that intrude into the 4x5 market segment when it comes to resolution and tones, the industry has made tools that make it possible to enter new photographic territory. Shoot in the dark, scan what your eyes can barely see and make it visible, explore the foremost unseen, like there mysterious shots:

1) What happens in the storage room with the lights turned off at night?
2) How to the towels feel in the dark bathroom at night?
3) self portrait in the light of a single blue LED, indicating the workings of our water cooker.
4) when I lie beside my daughter waiting until she is safe asleep chasing demons I wait and see a cloudy night at the edge of darkness...
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Akira on September 01, 2015, 12:04:53
I hope my violation to the rule is allowed: the exposure was raised by 0.5 step in CC2015.  D7000 set at Hi-2 (the highest ISO), AF-S35/1.8ED.

The image is pretty much Seurat-esque...
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on September 01, 2015, 12:17:17
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5774/21064607381_dff34a0a3a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/y6pBTT)
Hi2 shot, no PP done, straight export from LR. (https://flic.kr/p/y6pBTT) by Joergen Ramskov (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9952230@N02/), on Flickr

I guess I should find a dark place and make another shot.
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Thomas Stellwag on September 01, 2015, 17:40:42
@ the blue daemon: try it inside the fridge when light is out and its getting cold   8)
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Frank Fremerey on September 01, 2015, 18:51:59
What a great garden
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Almass on September 01, 2015, 20:00:28
Frank always comes up with fun games  8)

I will play. This pic doubles as a selfie as well.

ISO12800






(https://nikongear.net/revival/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv233%2FDuke_1%2F_MG_2889%25201_zpsoblxjmk6.jpg&hash=7ad623681959b76004527bf0fbe873d9cab51594)

Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Fons Baerken on September 01, 2015, 20:01:33
Nikon
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Frank Fremerey on September 01, 2015, 20:40:32
Almass. I am an explorer. I am a dolphin. I am easily bored. Boredom is the most fertile soil for creativity
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Alaun on September 01, 2015, 22:04:24
HI4 on D4, 85mm, f8,  1/100s    ;)
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Sash on September 01, 2015, 23:16:14
FUJI X-T1 SOOC JPEG, manual, ISO 25600, f/4, 1/9 sec.







Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Frank Fremerey on September 02, 2015, 03:38:55
Werner. These snakes. Creepy.
Alexander. Wow this is clean.
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on September 02, 2015, 09:08:44
What a great garden

If you're talking about my picture, then you're seeing most of it there and it's all my wife's work.
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Frank Fremerey on September 02, 2015, 09:17:46
Jørgen: All the best to your wife. This is wonderful. If you want to give her life as a present consider to buy her this:

http://www.amazon.com/Edible-Forest-Gardens-2-set/dp/1890132608/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1441178144&sr=1-1&keywords=edible+forest+gardens

Nothing more, nothing less that the future of agriculture on our planet:

climate positive / carbon sequestering
no tilling
biodiverse
healthy
recovering soil, water and air
soul food
Just sawing and harvesting after initial set up
huge yields after a few years
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on September 02, 2015, 09:21:37
Thanks for the book recommendation, that might just become a christmas present :)
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Frank Fremerey on September 02, 2015, 09:45:22
This morning I got up to work at 3:30 a.m.

After writing a few pages I saw the sun was about to rise and spread a certain magic, inspiring me to see:

1) the green room
2) too dark to focus I
3) too dark to focus II
4) dawn reflected in the iron
5) curtain in the wind before dawn
6) "aerial" into our garden which is more a bicycle parking area
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Peter Connan on September 02, 2015, 19:54:17
D750 @ ISO12800, lifted by half a stop.
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: stenrasmussen on September 02, 2015, 21:14:19
Dƒ and Series E 36-72. ISOs 51200 (f/5.6, 1/640s) & 102400 (f/5.6, 1/400s).
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Airy on September 02, 2015, 22:46:21
Df, Hi-4 position (205 000 ISO). Zeiss 50/2 @f/22

Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Chip Chipowski on September 03, 2015, 06:08:39
Coolpix A
ISO 25600
f/9
1/400
Title: Re: FAR BELOW ANY SANE ASSUMPTION
Post by: Frank Fremerey on September 03, 2015, 07:42:02
Keep exploring
show us the hidden
show us the unseen
Title: Re: FAR BELOW ANY SANE ASSUMPTION
Post by: Akira on September 03, 2015, 16:18:31
Hopefully a little more interesting images.  D7000 at Hi--2 and Nikkor QC 200/4.0.  Thanks to the lens' hard infinity stop, I didn't need to focus.  Both images were shot handheld with both elbows resting on the banister.

The three poitns of light in the sky in the first image are the jet planes.

The tower on the left in the second image is the Tokyo Tower, and the one on the right, The Tokyo Skytree.
Title: Re: FAR BELOW ANY SANE ASSUMPTION
Post by: ColinM on September 03, 2015, 16:37:49
This made the beer fizz in our local pub

(https://nikongear.net/revival/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pbase.com%2Fcelidh%2Fimage%2F96879914%2Foriginal.jpg&hash=d05a728327035434cbc3c68aa98c4fa078bab577)
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Frank Fremerey on September 03, 2015, 17:05:29
Colin. This is really cool.
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Chip Chipowski on September 04, 2015, 17:41:07
Morning Prep at Little Bird

Coolpix A
ISO 25600
f/9
1/1000
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Frank Fremerey on September 04, 2015, 18:00:21
Chip. The empty window before the shop opens.
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Anirban Halder on September 05, 2015, 08:49:18
"Bangles" - D200 with 35mm 1.8 G DX, ISO H1.0/3200

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/681/20968040078_89eb24c425_c.jpg)
Title: Re: FAR BELOW ANY SANE ASSUMPTION
Post by: Frank Fremerey on September 05, 2015, 17:22:40
@Anriban: There is something special about these shots, there lofi shots.

I feel mine are taken with cheapo slide film from the past...
Title: Re: FAR BELOW ANY SANE ASSUMPTION
Post by: Anirban Halder on September 05, 2015, 18:53:07
Point noted Frank. Thanks for starting this unusual but beautiful series. Your photos look like scenes from crime thriller of earlier days.
I will give another try:
Title: Re: FAR BELOW ANY SANE ASSUMPTION
Post by: Lars Hansen on September 05, 2015, 19:28:49
A good oppertunity to test the high-iso on my Fuji X-E1. All shot at 25600 - hand held.
Some have been underexposed considerably to keep the mood intact.
Title: Re: FAR BELOW ANY SANE ASSUMPTION
Post by: Lars Hansen on September 05, 2015, 20:56:15
And a shot of the evening sky after a rainy day - iso  25600.
Title: Re: FAR BELOW ANY SANE ASSUMPTION
Post by: Frank Fremerey on September 05, 2015, 20:57:33
Lars:

I love the set in post #32

It has some mysterious feel to it as if there is meaning below the material...
Title: Re: FAR BELOW ANY SANE ASSUMPTION
Post by: zuglufttier on September 08, 2015, 22:24:09
My hallway, D700 in Hi2 (ISO 25.600?)
Title: Re: FAR BELOW ANY SANE ASSUMPTION
Post by: Frank Fremerey on September 08, 2015, 22:34:00
Zuglufttier. Very cool shot. Thank you. Keep going. Push it farther.
Title: Re: FAR BELOW ANY SANE ASSUMPTION
Post by: zuglufttier on September 08, 2015, 23:11:14
Thanks, I have one more ;) These are fun! It's a picture on the technical edge, the best my D700 can do: ISO 25.600 and exposure set to 1/8000 :D
Title: Re: FAR BELOW ANY SANE ASSUMPTION
Post by: Frank Fremerey on September 08, 2015, 23:15:12
"Great quote from 'American Beauty'"
Title: Re: FAR BELOW ANY SANE ASSUMPTION
Post by: Lars Hansen on September 09, 2015, 21:02:12
Lars:

I love the set in post #32

It has some mysterious feel to it as if there is meaning below the material...

Thanks Frank - glad if it gave your imagination a small spin ;-)  Shot in the basement of the old house I live in.

I know you have a background in professional food photography - here is a carrot with personality @ iso 25600. And a vase in the twilight at same iso.

 
Title: Re: FAR BELOW ANY SANE ASSUMPTION
Post by: Peter Forsell on September 09, 2015, 21:52:25
Toy Story 5: The Basement Party

This is not a modern camera, is it in violation with rule #1?. But I pushed and pushed the ISO and got all the way to 6400. LOL.


(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/566/21278587645_4787020a15_o.jpg)

D1H & 17-35/2.8 @ ISO 6400. Single 40 W bare bulb.
Title: Re: FAR BELOW ANY SANE ASSUMPTION
Post by: simato73 on September 09, 2015, 22:59:29
My hallway, D700 in Hi2 (ISO 25.600?)

I like nice long corridors in homes.
Title: Re: FAR BELOW ANY SANE ASSUMPTION
Post by: simato73 on September 09, 2015, 23:05:06
Colin has beaten me to a lightning, but here we go.

ISO 200 f/20 30s
Very dark, pushed insanely.

Title: Re: FAR BELOW ANY SANE ASSUMPTION
Post by: Chip Chipowski on September 10, 2015, 06:14:52
The D1H shot looks great!

D200IR w/ 18-55 VRii @ 55mm f/5.6 1/5s (ISO 3200)
Title: Re: FAR BELOW ANY SANE ASSUMPTION
Post by: Frank Fremerey on September 13, 2015, 01:23:05
Some recent research:

Title: Re: FAR BELOW ANY SANE ASSUMPTION
Post by: Frank Fremerey on September 13, 2015, 08:33:01
Zuglufttier's crisp bag. Wow. Again and again.
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Bruno Schroder on September 13, 2015, 22:51:28
Fun stuff.
Here is one from this week: D3300 12800ISO, night view with the 35/1.8; 1/2.5 f2.2
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Bruno Schroder on September 13, 2015, 23:08:07
An older one with the Nokia Lumia 930: ISO3200, F2.4 1/3 sec. I guess it can also classify as a modern camera :)


Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Frank Fremerey on September 14, 2015, 00:20:09
Bruno: The ships on empty sea floor are fine. Distribution, monochromatics.

The cat is nice, but you might try to shoot a graphically more pleasing picture of her...
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Andrea B. on September 14, 2015, 00:24:32
The kitty and ships photos look like Rembrandt paintings. Very subtle and interesting lighting!
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Bruno Schroder on September 14, 2015, 23:14:48
Bruno: The ships on empty sea floor are fine. Distribution, monochromatics.

The cat is nice, but you might try to shoot a graphically more pleasing picture of her...

Thanks Frank. The cat picture is one of the first I took with the Lumia smartphone. I mostly wanted to check how it would do in low light. The cat was unusually cooperative and allowed me to take 2 pictures. I like the second better but it is full of banding noise ... and the cat has never been cooperative enough again :)
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Bruno Schroder on September 14, 2015, 23:16:17
The kitty and ships photos look like Rembrandt paintings. Very subtle and interesting lighting!

Thanks Andrea. it is easier for me to see the light when it's dark :)
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: John Harkus on September 15, 2015, 19:13:00
Some quick ones this evening with the 20mm F/4 on the Df, 25,600 to 204,800
John H
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Frank Fremerey on September 15, 2015, 20:01:01
200k!

Imagine someone had told you 10 years ago.

I feel we should dig more into pushing the envelope.

Were are the new limits. Can we show something never seen before?
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: John Harkus on September 15, 2015, 20:09:46
200k!

Imagine someone had told you 10 years ago.

I feel we should dig more into pushing the envelope.

Were are the new limits. Can we show something never seen before?

Lucky to get 1600 with film! Ilford XP was a revelation
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Eddie Draaisma on September 15, 2015, 21:17:53
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Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on September 15, 2015, 21:23:26
Who will be the first one shooting the proverbial black cat in a coal cellar? :D
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Frank Fremerey on September 16, 2015, 02:17:53
Who will be the first one shooting the proverbial black cat in a coal cellar? :D

We do not know which ideas might work before we -- or someone else have them ... the black cat in the coal celler I have not seen yet.

Might be and interesting topic also because coal cellers become rarer with climate change.
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Ian R on September 20, 2015, 22:33:27
Inspired by this thread I took my D750 out at night and used at least ISO 12800 handheld with the 45mm P lens. In the day the seaside is thronging with people and life, however take light away and suddenly the town is empty. Here are three 'empty seaside at night' photos.
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Frank Fremerey on September 20, 2015, 23:08:09
I can feel the scene, I can smell the sea, I have been there, done that. Must get back to dover to see the sites on my old slides in real. Thank you Ian!
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Ian R on September 21, 2015, 11:17:57
I can feel the scene, I can smell the sea, I have been there, done that. Must get back to dover to see the sites on my old slides in real. Thank you Ian!

Thanks Frank. These photos were taken in West Bay - in Dorset - so also on the South Coast.
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Chip Chipowski on September 22, 2015, 06:08:09
Eddie - nice looking cupboard :)

This one is from the file cabinets, before the morning rush

D200 IR @3200 10.5mm FE @f/2.8
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Erik Lund on September 23, 2015, 15:47:41
He he nice one, I see I'm not the only one with paper files 😲😲😲
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: ColinM on September 26, 2015, 05:32:45
Bruno:

The cat is nice, but you might try to shoot a graphically more pleasing picture of her...

I don't know if it was intentional, but I saw Bruno's name, then the subject and mind jumped to "Schrödinger's cat"......
(sorry)
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Bruno Schroder on September 26, 2015, 08:53:32
 :D I've solved the equation.  The cat is still alive  :D
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: zuglufttier on September 26, 2015, 22:15:20
Nikon D40 at ISO3200
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Akira on September 27, 2015, 21:40:07
Olympus OM-D E-M5 MkII, Nikkor-Q C auto 200/4.0, ISO6400 handheld, heavily cropped.
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: nancyr on September 28, 2015, 08:58:30
Three looks at the mess on my office floor with cameras at hand.

D200, 50/1.8, 3200
D5200, 50/1.8, 25600, MF
Panasonic GF1, 20/1.7, 3200

So the "5" in the 5200 means I can add 5000 ISO?  :o
Title: ISO 1,000,000
Post by: Peter Forsell on September 28, 2015, 17:38:01
ISO one million. Not straight out of camera, since this was done by 3.3 stop underexposure combined with 3.3 stop push from an ISO 102,400 image. Below is the SOOC version without the push. Something somewhere bastardized the EXIF, since Flickr only shows 65535  :o


Underexposure + push
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/695/21599572060_655bc53d56_o.jpg)



Same image sooc
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/667/21164893984_58d6c0c00e_o.jpg)

Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Øivind Tøien on September 30, 2015, 11:12:13

The Nikon 1 AW-1 in the dark at max ISO 6400 1/5sec exposure, pulled +0.3 stops, and contrast increased and sharpening applied. Some "better quality 2013" noise reduction applied in CNX2, particularly for chroma noise. The light pollution from the sodium lights is about the worst possible with respect to color balance vs. noise.  The bent tree just came down today (It has been like that for several years) so this image from late yesterday is the last one...


(https://nikongear.net/revival/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fotoien.zenfolio.com%2Fimg%2Fs%2Fv-2%2Fp1512758355.jpg&hash=38ad3d8cbecfffd6a9706cbb069935f657c83a8f)


More images with AW1 at ISO 6400 (accidental) can be found here: http://nikongear.net/revival/index.php/topic,1665.new.html#new (http://nikongear.net/revival/index.php/topic,1665.new.html#new)



I now see that the thread was meant to show results without editing, so here is the original conversion from CNX2 without other adjustment than resizing; not as pretty as the one with noise reduction applied...

(https://nikongear.net/revival/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fotoien.zenfolio.com%2Fimg%2Fs%2Fv-2%2Fp1512779182.jpg&hash=67174c84ab964494b69dcf7948508fc6be6267f4)



And here is the ISO 6400 shot that made me forget to change back to normal ISO (straight conversion):
(https://nikongear.net/revival/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fotoien.zenfolio.com%2Fimg%2Fs%2Fv-2%2Fp1512824009.jpg&hash=b4b2f8141cec273199c80ab2099bc9e34fc68c40)


And here is an optimized ISO 320 shot:
(https://nikongear.net/revival/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fotoien.zenfolio.com%2Fimg%2Fs%2Fv-2%2Fp1512823987.jpg&hash=1f15895bbe095baf2aca413ce191c8215c150240)
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Darrell C on October 09, 2015, 10:23:01
at our local park museum

 (https://farm1.staticflickr.com/703/21751652991_aff38be9f0_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Bruno Schroder on October 09, 2015, 11:38:05
Hi Darrell, what' s the camera and ISO?
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Darrell C on October 09, 2015, 21:22:26
Hi Darrell, what' s the camera and ISO?
sorry Bruno was an ISO 800
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Frank Fremerey on October 13, 2015, 23:31:33
I made two mistakes:

1) I forgot to crank up the ISO ... it is only ISO4000 on a D3
2) I really wanted to show the golden glow of this shirt / skirt / gown whatever, I am not Lagerfeld
3) But I edited it and puped it up, so I managed to make it look shitty after all

...and I preserved the golden glow. The lens was too good I guess ... Mikro Nikkor 4/200...

it is a pano made from many a shot.
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Jan Anne on October 14, 2015, 00:41:10
200k!

Imagine someone had told you 10 years ago.

I feel we should dig more into pushing the envelope.
200K is so 2000 and late, here's Bjørn at ISO409600 8) :o
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/568/21796032741_e7bf7a7790_o.jpg)
Sony a7S & Zeiss 35/1.4 FE, Germany 2015
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Frank Fremerey on March 06, 2016, 02:01:38
full whatever ISO the D600 can do ... does it matter as we see the D5 coming?
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Frank Fremerey on March 06, 2016, 14:08:56
and a rather "bjørnesque" shot also at "+EV2 over 6400":
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Akira on March 06, 2016, 14:39:49
and a rather "bjørnesque" shot also at "+EV2 over 6400":

Blue hour...
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Frank Fremerey on April 06, 2016, 13:48:20
25.600 Nikon D600 ... D5 anyone?
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Matthew Currie on April 07, 2016, 04:09:56
It's an interesting issue.  I shot film for a zillion years, and it's always seemed to me the most gee-whiz aspect of digital cameras is the ability to change ISO with a switch.  Who, a couple of decades ago, would have thought of today's ISO?  Here's the lowly D3200 at "Hi1," its only "hi" range, which translates to about ISO 12800.  The lens is an old manual 35/2.8 K, and it's hand held at 1/2 second, unprocessed except for down sizing. 

It's possible to cut the noise considerably if you overexpose by a stop or two and then crank it down in post, but I can't hand hold over 1/2 second, and I figured a tripod would be cheating.
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: ColinM on April 10, 2016, 22:42:53
25.600 Nikon D600 ... D5 anyone?
Image: "two garden gnomes"
I watched the film Amelie again last night
Your Gnomes image struck a chord with me ;)

http://youtu.be/OJpBDkZFN2k (http://youtu.be/OJpBDkZFN2k)

(https://beautydart.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/amelie_dad_gnome.jpg)
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Frank Fremerey on April 10, 2016, 23:39:25
Colin. Cool shot!
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: David H. Hartman on April 15, 2016, 00:14:47
Water conservation somewhere in drought stricken Southern California...

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1702/25827948824_1921aa1a63.jpg) (https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1702/25827948824_99bb49ac14_o.jpg)

...I know ISO 6,400 is rather mundane these days but this is a D800 and they are somewhat high ISO challenged. Hand held with special 35-70/2.8D Nikkor with decentering feature.


Back in the day: an FE2 probably loaded with Ektapress 1600 at EI 800. The lens was a 180/2.8 ED AIS Nikkor...

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2701/4403665796_4fd28f9453.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2701/4403665796_d26dd82d98_o.jpg)

...1/125 at f/2.8. The camera was tripod mounted.

Dave
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Frank Fremerey on April 15, 2016, 09:29:06
I love the deconstruction shot, David and the political comment in the first one.
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: David H. Hartman on April 17, 2016, 11:17:04
Thank you Frank!

---

The bridge (RIP) on Interstate 10 at Yucaipa, CA was called "The Bandaid." It was a low bridge that was hit many time by truckers who missed the low bridge warning signs. There was a Caltrans worker there who was almost in tears. He said that bridge paid the mortgage on his house. The guy at the joy sticks on the tractor having all the fun is my cousin Ron.
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: John Harkus on April 18, 2016, 18:12:00
Opposite the Amsterdam Hilton at around 10pm, I certainly couldn't have focused manually!
25600 ASA with the Df, 24-35mm Sigma at f/2, 1/20s handheld (after a few beers . . .)

John
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: John Harkus on April 21, 2016, 06:49:03
And following from David Hartman's - absolutely agree that digital has completely destroyed the "fast film" thing, and not needing interchangeable backs for different film speeds either!
Attached is Ilford XP2 at 1600ASA in 1980, Canon FTb
John
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: tommiejeep on April 21, 2016, 07:36:51
Night time Camel ride.  Two hours late getting to the Camel Sanctuary and sun was long gone and Full moon still low.
Df, DC105 f2D 1/100, +.7 EV ISO over 12,800 but at least a record of the even  ;)
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: David H. Hartman on April 21, 2016, 20:56:41
The color of high pressure sodium vapor light was pretty ugly so I converted to B&W. This is a D800 and ISO 6400 -2EV (H2 or some foolishness). Please note the smooth rendition of the sky.  8)

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Please click photo for a larger view.

Dave
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Frank Fremerey on April 22, 2016, 02:35:53
David: very moody Steven Shore like setting. Was the camera level? Interested in Landscape or Design...
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Frank Fremerey on April 22, 2016, 02:37:20
Night time Camel ride.  Two hours late getting to the Camel Sanctuary and sun was long gone and Full moon still low.
Df, DC105 f2D 1/100, +.7 EV ISO over 12,800 but at least a record of the even  ;)

Love the shot. Impressive how the colors shine & super interaction! Does not look worse than a 400 ISO slide fgilm, slightly unterexposed.

I have clean & clear shots with my D3 at 12.800. I feel one has to overexpose a bit.
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Tersn on April 29, 2016, 13:03:13
D500 w. Nikon 14-24mm f/2.8@ iso 45600 (24mm, 1/100 s, f/2.8) Noise reduction on background , otherwise minor adjustments.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1534/26104906473_e7545739db_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/FLNtdn)Nikon D500 at iso 45600 (https://flic.kr/p/FLNtdn) by tersn (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tsnd09/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Frank Fremerey on April 29, 2016, 15:30:41
Only thing I'd like to see here is the cat's tongue. Would add an interesting dot of pink color to the otherwise quite monchrome scene. 55 Thosand on DX. Who would have ever thought about it?
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Tersn on April 29, 2016, 16:25:27
Yes, the tongue would have been nice, but the world is not always perfect  :) Of course, 45600 iso is close to the native limit  (iso 51200) for the D500, so we cannot expect too much from such an image regarding details.
I look forward to finding some time for shooting birds and wildlife. At present I am rather busy, so cats and flowers will have to do for now.
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Andy on April 30, 2016, 01:29:55
3am in the morning. We drove to one national park to capture a sunrise. taken @ 60 mph. In the upper right corner some clouds are lighten up by the moon.
D3s, Hi3 (approx ISO 102.400), 1/160s, f2.8

Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Hugh_3170 on April 30, 2016, 03:28:15
Terje, cat images are most welcome indeed, as are test shots that explore this exciting new camera's limits. 

So hard to imagine what ardent film photographers would have thought 20 or so years ago if they were to see todays ISO 50,000 images from a sensor that has just under half the area size of the 135 / 24x36mm film format.   ISO 1600 was considered very fast back then - and it was a dammed sight more grainy as well.


Yes, the tongue would have been nice, but the world is not always perfect  :) Of course, 45600 iso is close to the native limit  (iso 51200) for the D500, so we cannot expect too much from such an image regarding details.
I look forward to finding some time for shooting birds and wildlife. At present I am rather busy, so cats and flowers will have to do for now.
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Frank Fremerey on April 30, 2016, 08:59:18
Andy. Very nice effect, all the blue and red dots in the black.
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: golunvolo on May 23, 2017, 13:23:20
An ir modified d80 that with personality. I thought there was no image recorded at all but this guy was there. Lola made him subtle
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Termite on May 25, 2017, 21:56:34
Hello!

A new user here, but I've been reading this site for a long time. I like the idea of pushing the cameras as far as they can go ... and a little beyond that! Here's the Fuji X-T2 at ISO 25,600. With the latest generations of sensors, good low light capability has arrived even for amateur cameras. Shooting at ISO 5,000 (second image) is relaxed and normal.
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Frank Fremerey on May 26, 2017, 00:06:25
An ir modified d80 that with personality. I thought there was no image recorded at all but this guy was there. Lola made him subtle

Paco, I am really happy you took up this thread again.

The image has a disturbing quality to it. Very good.

I cannot put my finger in it. Might also be the moderation.

You say "this guy was there" and I see a tree. Great storytelling
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Frank Fremerey on May 26, 2017, 00:12:43
Hello!

A new user here, but I've been reading this site for a long time. I like the idea of pushing the cameras as far as they can go ... and a little beyond that! Here's the Fuji X-T2 at ISO 25,600. With the latest generations of sensors, good low light capability has arrived even for amateur cameras. Shooting at ISO 5,000 (second image) is relaxed and normal.

Welcome to this very interesting place. Very good people. Photographers. Tech Heads. Just nice people also.

Go introduce yourself in the introduction thread!

25.600ISO .... There but not great since 2008 when the Nikon D3 arrived. Today I have a D500 that can go up to 1.5 Million ISO. I did not even try this yet. Maybe I should and post findings here?

Welcome again. Frank
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Termite on May 26, 2017, 09:32:04
Today I have a D500 that can go up to 1.5 Million ISO. I did not even try this yet. Maybe I should and post findings here?

Of course you should!

According to the Photons to photos site, the Fuji X-T2 (and many other recent DX cameras) can now match the legendary D3: http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#FujiFilm%20X-T2,Nikon%20D3 (http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#FujiFilm%20X-T2,Nikon%20D3) . I can have the same low light performance in a much smaller, cheaper and lighter camera (500 grams vs. 1300 grams  :) ), that I can just toss in my bag whenever I go out.
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Airy on May 26, 2017, 09:43:18
It is time to get back to a log scale for sensitivities... as was the case with the (now discontinued) DIN scale for instance. Cannot make sense of 1500000 ISO without some efforts :)
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Thomas G on May 26, 2017, 17:51:01
It is time to get back to a log scale for sensitivities... as was the case with the (now discontinued) DIN scale for instance. Cannot make sense of 1500000 ISO without some efforts :)
1.5 MISO (Mega-ISO)?
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Hugh_3170 on May 27, 2017, 09:09:21
Mmm... Now let us see....

100 ISO is 21° DIN

Then 1,000,000 ISO should be around 61° DIN?

So 1,500,000 ISO should then be around 63° DIN.

It is time to get back to a log scale for sensitivities... as was the case with the (now discontinued) DIN scale for instance. Cannot make sense of 1500000 ISO without some efforts :)
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Bruno Schroder on May 27, 2017, 10:56:26
Here's the Fuji X-T2 at ISO 25,600.

I like the first one a lot. It could also very well belong to the Impressionist thread.

Welcome here, Termite.
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Frank Fremerey on May 27, 2017, 12:28:48
Of course you should!

According to the Photons to photos site, the Fuji X-T2 (and many other recent DX cameras) can now match the legendary D3: http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#FujiFilm%20X-T2,Nikon%20D3 (http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#FujiFilm%20X-T2,Nikon%20D3) . I can have the same low light performance in a much smaller, cheaper and lighter camera (500 grams vs. 1300 grams  :) ), that I can just toss in my bag whenever I go out.

I can only speak from my experience. My D3 is worse when it comes to ISO performance than my D500 and the D500 has a superb high spatial resolution too.
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Termite on May 27, 2017, 12:32:55
I can only speak from my experience. My D3 is worse when it comes to ISO performance than my D500 and the D500 has a superb high spatial resolution too.

I didn't want to insult any D3 owners here by saying that the latest generation of DX sensors outperform the D3  :)  And I've never used a D3 myself, I was just relying on tests I've read online. Sensor technology has really come a long way.
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: the solitaire on May 30, 2017, 00:13:36
Lucky to get 1600 with film! Ilford XP was a revelation

Pushing the envelope back in 1996. Nikon FM with Tokina 17mm f3,5 RMC, red filter and circular polarizer. Ilford HP5, pushed 5 stops to ISO 12500, developed with Kodak XTol in a somewhat wild mix and at approx. 23 degrees.

This was a digital photo taken from a contact print.

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Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Frank Fremerey on May 30, 2017, 18:02:02
I didn't want to insult any D3 owners here by saying that the latest generation of DX sensors outperform the D3  :)  And I've never used a D3 myself, I was just relying on tests I've read online. Sensor technology has really come a long way.

I cannot be insulted at all.

My D3 is somewhat north of150.000 clicks and paid a lot of my bills since I bought her new in 2008.

The IQ of my D600 is better in most situations, but she is not as sturdy and dependable. The IQ and ISO performance of my D500 is superb, so the D3 is mostly a backup device today
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: the solitaire on May 31, 2017, 00:52:06
I didn't want to insult any D3 owners here by saying that the latest generation of DX sensors outperform the D3  :)  And I've never used a D3 myself, I was just relying on tests I've read online. Sensor technology has really come a long way.

I do not think D3 owners are insulted that quickly. I for one appreciate the thoughts and opinions of others and always look forward to read these

D3 at ISO 25600
55mm f1,2 @ f1,2
Manual explosion ;)

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Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: golunvolo on May 31, 2017, 01:40:14
I like this one. Intense response to the body language and ambience. At this size the noise adds to the image
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: golunvolo on July 19, 2017, 18:44:36
70-200mm 2.8 at 200mm at f/2.8 1/13th hand held standing  :o
  d750 at 12800 iso + .55 in post  :o
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: golunvolo on November 05, 2017, 19:18:25
Frank, not really following your steps in post one but:

   shot by chance and brought up 5+ full stops in pp  :o
Title: Re: Far Below Any Sane Assumption
Post by: Frank Fremerey on November 05, 2017, 20:56:25
the +5 in post does not really count with ISO invariant sensors like your D750. I like the picture any way and I do not post restrictions.