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Title: The science behind nail polish :)
Post by: Zang on June 08, 2025, 00:05:16
Until yesterday, I didn’t know there were two types of nail polish: air-dried and UV-cured. The latter won’t dry at all without a UV lamp. That little lesson cost me 10 bucks! Long story short, after rebuilding the Topcor 3.5cm, I noticed a groove on the front barrel. My first thought was to fill it with red paint. Maybe someone knows what that groove is for?

Cheers,
Zang
Title: Re: The science behind nail polish :)
Post by: Hugh_3170 on June 08, 2025, 06:12:57
Many of us use nail polish as a convenient low strength thread locker. 

Do you know how strong the UV cured form of nail polish is?  I am guessing that it is tougher than the air dried form, which would have the advantage of longer nail polish life for those folk (women) that use this product.
Title: Re: The science behind nail polish :)
Post by: Zang on June 08, 2025, 06:29:37
Many of us use nail polish as a convenient low strength thread locker. 

Do you know how strong the UV cured form of nail polish is?  I am guessing that it is tougher than the air dried form, which would have the advantage of longer nail polish life for those folk (women) that use this product.

Hi Hugh, I have no idea. As I do not have an UV lamp, I threw that one away and ordered an air-dried one.
Title: Re: The science behind nail polish :)
Post by: Nasos Kosmas on June 08, 2025, 10:26:10
Many of us use nail polish as a convenient low strength thread locker. 

Do you know how strong the UV cured form of nail polish is?  I am guessing that it is tougher than the air dried form, which would have the advantage of longer nail polish life for those folk (women) that use this product.

As my background is chemistry, the normal nail polish is nitrocellulose in solvent and when it dries it gets medium hard
The UV cured form is a kind of  Acrylates copolymer Resin 55-65% as you may find in the MSDS or SDS  (Material Safety Data Sheet)  data on the net

My personal experience with Acrylates is that is a bit harder than Nitrocellulose

Thank you for the info Zang :)
Title: Re: The science behind nail polish :)
Post by: Zang on June 08, 2025, 13:57:28
As my background is chemistry, the normal nail polish is nitrocellulose in solvent and when it dries it gets medium hard
The UV cured form is a kind of  Acrylates copolymer Resin 55-65% as you may find in the MSDS or SDS  (Material Safety Data Sheet)  data on the net

My personal experience with Acrylates is that is a bit harder than Nitrocellulose

Thank you for the info Zang :)

Wow, can someone translate that into plain English? :)

It's been decades since I last studied chemistry, so this really brings back some emotional memories!

Thank you, Nasos, for sharing this fascinating scientific insight.
Title: Re: The science behind nail polish :)
Post by: Birna Rørslett on June 08, 2025, 16:15:26
Plain English can be condensed into the following: you do your nails at home with the air-dry polish, and visit a salon for the UV nail version :) Since the latter option is expensive, the paint has to be more robust and longer-lasting. Simple, isn't it :) :)
Title: Re: The science behind nail polish :)
Post by: Hugh_3170 on June 08, 2025, 17:32:52
Thank you all for your responses.
Title: Re: The science behind nail polish :)
Post by: Zang on June 09, 2025, 05:17:39
Plain English can be condensed into the following: you do your nails at home with the air-dry polish, and visit a salon for the UV nail version :) Since the latter option is expensive, the paint has to be more robust and longer-lasting. Simple, isn't it :) :)

It was supposed to be a joke, but thanks Birna. I do not have any UV lamp and don't plan to purchase one.

Also, I tried buying the nail polish from the local fb marketplace. However, I don't think the ladies thought I was serious, so they did not respond to my inquiries :D
Title: Re: The science behind nail polish :)
Post by: Birna Rørslett on June 09, 2025, 09:02:58
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Also, I tried buying the nail polish from the local fb marketplace. However, I don't think the ladies thought I was serious, so they did not respond to my inquiries :D

That's a pity. Nail polish is not gender specific.

It can be mentioned here that nail polish, apart from enhancing your finger nails, also sees alternative uses. Thus, I use nail polish to seal my microscope slides after mounting. That is common lab practice.
Title: Re: The science behind nail polish :)
Post by: Hans_S on June 09, 2025, 13:21:31
That's a pity. Nail polish is not gender specific.

It can be mentioned here that nail polish, apart from enhancing your finger nails, also sees alternative uses. Thus, I use nail polish to seal my microscope slides after mounting. That is common lab practice.
Yes, it's very useful stuff. If drying time is of little consequence then the clear "Sally Hansons" is great for locking/sealing the threads when tying fishing flies.
For a more rapid cure (or more substantial coating) the various UV resins are excellent. A few dollars buys a UV Led of the right wavelength and a series resistor, just add an old phone charger and there is your curing light source.
Title: Re: The science behind nail polish :)
Post by: Zang on June 09, 2025, 17:54:46
Birna, for sure it is not gender specific. The proof is that I needed it LOL

BTW, my wife has a plenty of nail polishes that I can steal but I could not find a bright red one and that was why I needed to order one.

I had never used that for anything else but thanks for the hints! I actually have an Yashica camera with a loose winder screw. I could make use of the polish, using it as a thread locker!
Title: Re: The science behind nail polish :)
Post by: Roland Vink on June 10, 2025, 00:35:42
Until yesterday, I didn’t know there were two types of nail polish: air-dried and UV-cured. The latter won’t dry at all without a UV lamp. That little lesson cost me 10 bucks! Long story short, after rebuilding the Topcor 3.5cm, I noticed a groove on the front barrel. My first thought was to fill it with red paint. Maybe someone knows what that groove is for?
Wouldn't it be better to use enamel paints (eg Humbrol), that are used for scale model making?
Title: Re: The science behind nail polish :)
Post by: Hugh_3170 on June 10, 2025, 01:28:58
The quick drying variety of nail polish seems little different to thinned down balsa wood cement and the dopes used in the construction of model aircraft, so using it as a sealer or cement makes perfect sense. 

A related form of balsa cement was made by dissolving acetate sheet in acetone - no doubt I could now get arrested for such alchemy in these days of anti-drug laws.  Also hard to buy ether and amyl nitrite, nitromethane, methanol etc etc for brewing ones own fuel for model aeroplane engines.  Off topic - my apologies.


That's a pity. Nail polish is not gender specific.

It can be mentioned here that nail polish, apart from enhancing your finger nails, also sees alternative uses. Thus, I use nail polish to seal my microscope slides after mounting. That is common lab practice.
Title: Re: The science behind nail polish :)
Post by: BruceSD on June 10, 2025, 05:26:43
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The only time I used anything that cured with UV light was a few years ago when I used a UV glue to re-cement two lens elements that had separated.   I did not use a UV lamp, I just took the elements outside on a bright day and the sunshine cemented them together in a fraction of a second.   

As I recall it was a messy and imprecise process; one that I will never attempt again.
Title: buying chemicals
Post by: paul hofseth on June 10, 2025, 19:30:51
I have next to zero knowledge of chemistry but do know what i want. 
I tried in vain at the local apothecary to buy isopropanol for lens cleaning , even when i said that I was not fussy about whether the molecules were chiral or not they could not supply.Not just a case of the receptaries being used to sell boxed and readymade stuff rather than composing from basic ingredients, but probably some hypochondriac public safety institution thinking that some idiot might drink it. Luckily a chemist in Germany provided me with a bottle that will last a long time. Similarly it is easier to get lighter fuel than specifying very pure and easily evaporating octanol at the apothecarys`.

p.
Title: Re: The science behind nail polish :)
Post by: BruceSD on June 11, 2025, 00:15:44
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And let's not forget the difficulty purchasing lithium batteries too.

If I purchase one from a seller here in the USA, they will not ship it via "air" and will only ship it via "ground" transportation.  When I do receive a new lithium battery, it has all sorts of scary, hazardous labels on the box.

I own 3 Nikon D1X bodies.   Most of the original nickel blah blah blah Nikon batteries for it are old and dead (or dying).  A seller in Europe sells lithium batteries for the D1X, but they will not sell one to me because there currently are no land/ground routes from Europe to Wisconsin USA (maybe when the Bearing Sea freezes over again  ;) ;D).
Title: Re: buying chemicals
Post by: Hugh_3170 on June 11, 2025, 02:38:42
Paul, it sounds as if you have enough isopropanol to last you a while.

However, here in Australia it is sold at paint shops as rubbing alcohol and it is also sold in electronics component shops for those folks that make up their own printed circuit boards - it is used as a cleaning agent in this instance.  Keep your container securely closed when not in use as it is very prone to absorb water from the atmosphere.

I have next to zero knowledge of chemistry but do know what i want. 
I tried in vain at the local apothecary to buy isopropanol for lens cleaning , even when i said that I was not fussy about whether the molecules were chiral or not they could not supply.Not just a case of the receptaries being used to sell boxed and readymade stuff rather than composing from basic ingredients, but probably some hypochondriac public safety institution thinking that some idiot might drink it. Luckily a chemist in Germany provided me with a bottle that will last a long time. Similarly it is easier to get lighter fuel than specifying very pure and easily evaporating octanol at the apothecarys`.

p.
Title: Re: The science behind nail polish :)
Post by: janvaran on June 12, 2025, 11:51:15
If a UV Light is needed, you can buy one from a Fly Tying reseller. UV paint is common when tying flies for fishing. Typically from $20 and up.