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Images => Nature, Flora, Fauna & Landscapes => Topic started by: Andrea B. on August 16, 2015, 06:29:24

Title: Picture Taking on Cadillac Mountain
Post by: Andrea B. on August 16, 2015, 06:29:24
Cadillac Mountain, Looking West
Acadia National Park, Mount Desert Island, Maine, USA
D600-broadband + 16/3.5 Fish with R filter

f/11 for 1/1250" @ISO-200
f/16 for 1/800" @ISO-200

Right click and select View Image to see 1000 pixel wide view.
Title: Re: Picture Taking on Cadillac Mountain
Post by: afx on August 16, 2015, 08:20:55
Wow... Straight from a Sci-Fi movie.
Love the colors.

cheers
afx
Title: Re: Picture Taking on Cadillac Mountain
Post by: Andrew on August 16, 2015, 10:46:06
Very nice colour!
Title: Re: Picture Taking on Cadillac Mountain
Post by: Hugh_3170 on August 16, 2015, 10:54:28
My feelings exactly afx!

From the planet Andrea?

Great stuff.

Wow... Straight from a Sci-Fi movie.
Love the colors.

cheers
afx
Title: Re: Picture Taking on Cadillac Mountain
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on August 16, 2015, 12:25:54
A Martian feeling to it.

The first one of the pair is the better due to the poises struck by the people. The second is more static. You should of course have moved in closer but with a Fisheye on your camera, "closer" means you are really near the subject before the picture itself changes much.
Title: Re: Picture Taking on Cadillac Mountain
Post by: Andrea B. on August 16, 2015, 20:16:26
Yes, I like the first one best also.

The second one was fun because all the girls are sitting for a photo apparently on the edge of the mountain.

I was working there recording some distant landscapes and clouds for another project and had no time to move or refocus. The group quickly came into the right-hand view of the Fish and was rather quickly done with their photo taking.

I have a couple more interesting shots which have motion and interesting grouping but will not post them for fear that the people's faces might be recognizable, and I don't want to embarass them.
Title: Re: Picture Taking on Cadillac Mountain
Post by: David Paterson on August 16, 2015, 23:35:23
Other-worldly, but also very dreamlike.  This is greatly added to by the way the women seem to be dressed as early pioneers. Also the way the blue dress is swirling in the breeze - it is so perfect, it just has to be a dream.
Title: Re: Picture Taking on Cadillac Mountain
Post by: Øivind Tøien on August 16, 2015, 23:42:46
+1.  Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Picture Taking on Cadillac Mountain
Post by: elsa hoffmann on August 17, 2015, 00:22:33
I especially like the 2nd image. nicely handled
Title: Re: Picture Taking on Cadillac Mountain
Post by: Gary on August 17, 2015, 05:21:57
I like them both!
Title: Re: Picture Taking on Cadillac Mountain
Post by: Frank Fremerey on August 17, 2015, 09:32:29
What funny turbans these people wear. This is not Tatooine, this is the US of A
Title: Re: Picture Taking on Cadillac Mountain
Post by: Erik Lund on August 17, 2015, 12:13:11
Love the first one, especially the crossed legs ;)

I think there is some flare in the sky... not sure...  :o ::)
Title: Re: Picture Taking on Cadillac Mountain
Post by: Andrea B. on August 17, 2015, 13:32:37
Thank you everyone for your comments. Much appreciated!

These young women and the older ladies acting as their chaperones are from the Mennonite ethnic-religious group so they wear simple, longer dresses in pretty, soft colours and small white caps. This is referred to as dressing "plain". Mennonites are active in various peace and social issues. These women were very friendly & sweet, chatting & happy. They were taking a bus tour through Acadia National Park in Maine (USA). Almost everyone had a small point-and-shoot.

Yes that is for sure flare in the sky. In this case with the "full-spectrum" D600 and the red filter on the Fishie, I thought it added to the unreal, Martian look.
Title: Re: Picture Taking on Cadillac Mountain
Post by: Olivier on August 17, 2015, 13:49:18
Yes, the flare is essential for me in this image.
I actually enjoy the second more, something in their stillness makes me thing something surnatural is going to happen soon and the flare is the signal of its immediacy.
Title: Re: Picture Taking on Cadillac Mountain
Post by: Ole Gammelsæter on August 17, 2015, 15:52:45
Great images!
Will it be possible to get a similar look with a standard IR (720) filter? I am planning to start using my IR camera again. It's been dormant for a while.
Title: Re: Picture Taking on Cadillac Mountain
Post by: Jakov Minić on August 17, 2015, 16:09:30
Ole, the R60 filter in the 16/3.5 fish-eye cuts off light at approximately 600nm, so your 720nm filter will cut off all the light between those two wavelengths. Those would be most likely these interesting orange colors that Andrea B. masterfully displayed for us to enjoy :)


Title: Re: Picture Taking on Cadillac Mountain
Post by: Ole Gammelsæter on August 17, 2015, 16:45:41
Thanks Jakov.
So perhaps a new IR camera is needed then...
Title: Re: Picture Taking on Cadillac Mountain
Post by: Jakov Minić on August 17, 2015, 17:00:50
Either you have a broadband camera like Andrea B. and you decide yourself where you want to cut off light.
Or you do like I did and put in a filter that cuts off at 600nm.

However, if you cut off light in a broadband body, you will see the image in your viewfinder when cut off at 600nm, but if you decide to go the 720nm route or higher, you will be shooting "blind".
Another drawback with broadband is that you will always fiddle with filters, either gels (back slots of lenses) or screw in filters. Then you won't be able to use very lens that you have unless you buy filters with all thread sizes of your lenses.

The drawback of the 600nm is that it is not 100% IR, since you will capture the visible range from 600-720nm (but who cares, right, as long as the photo turns out good) :)





Title: Re: Picture Taking on Cadillac Mountain
Post by: Frank Fremerey on August 17, 2015, 17:07:39
These young women and the older ladies acting as their chaperones are from the Mennonite ethnic-religious group so they wear simple, longer dresses in pretty, soft colours and small white caps. This is referred to as dressing "plain". Mennonites are active in various peace and social issues. These women were very friendly & sweet, chatting & happy. They were taking a bus tour through Acadia National Park in Maine (USA). Almost everyone had a small point-and-shoot.

So we learn here where Lucas Arts sometimes get their inspiration!
Title: Re: Picture Taking on Cadillac Mountain
Post by: Andrea B. on August 17, 2015, 21:10:25
Ole, the 720 passes only a bit of Visible Red in addition to the IR, so the effect will not be as strong as with the setup I was using.

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The colours seen in my photo are also partly due to the particular in-camera white balance setting I was using in the Nikon D600.

But here are two Raw versions without white balance applied. So you can see that what was really recorded was mostly in the Red channel with a smaller contribution from the Green channel(s) and even less from the Blue channel.

These Raw composites were made in RawDigger. Love that app!!

Foto #1 :: Raw composite with autoscaling applied for 16-bit colour.
No gamma curve has been applied yet, so the Raw is very dark!
No white balance applied.

Foto #2 :: Raw composite with autoscaling and a midtone lift via gamma 2.2 curve.
Still unconverted really, so still rather dark.
But the only areas of underexposure are the sky in the upper right hand corner
and a bit of shadow on the rocks.
No white balance applied.
Title: Re: Picture Taking on Cadillac Mountain
Post by: Ole Gammelsæter on August 17, 2015, 22:40:42
Andrea, thanks for the info. I see now that I have a lot to learn about IR photography. I think white balance is something I will focus on first. I have just used the auto wb so far, and the results are not great. Will check that software you mention.
Title: Re: Picture Taking on Cadillac Mountain
Post by: Andrea B. on August 17, 2015, 23:03:24
Ole, what camera are you using? Some cameras are better at auto bw in Infrared than others. If you don't like the wb the camera has provided, it is easy to change in most raw converters to something more pleasing. Photo Ninja or Capture NX2, for example.

The photos I posted (in the first post) were made with a certain in-camera white balance setting, but those photos are not "white-balanced" because that in-camera setting was not made with the filter used to make the photos. I hope I said that correctly.  ;D

Raw Digger is a nice app for analyzing raw file data, but it does not convert or edit photos.
Title: Re: Picture Taking on Cadillac Mountain
Post by: Ole Gammelsæter on August 18, 2015, 08:17:10
Andrea, I have an old D200, bought second hand for the purpose. I bought the filter from Lifepixel and did the conversion myself. I have used it too little, but have been reading a bit on the topic recently. The wb thing was a recommendation on the Lifepixel website. Make a custom wb setting using something green. The images straight from the camera with auto wb are very red, and I find it difficult to adjust i Photoshop or Aftershot. Most of the time I end up converting to B&W.
Title: Re: Picture Taking on Cadillac Mountain
Post by: Jørgen Ramskov on August 18, 2015, 12:39:13
Wow! What a surprising view, not at all what I expected when I clicked :) Straight out of Star wars.
Title: Re: Picture Taking on Cadillac Mountain
Post by: Andrea B. on August 19, 2015, 02:40:08
I'm happy you had a surprise, Jørgen !!

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Ole, the D200 is very nice for IR. It was my main UV/IR camera for about 3 years.

Like other Nikon cameras, the D200 does not produce a good in-camera white balance
when used with IR filters (or UV filters either).
And, unfortunately, Photoshop/ACR also cannot produce a good white balance
on areas in a raw IR file (NEF).

You could try the free ViewNX from Nikon to complete the white balance on the raw D200 IR file.
Another app which can make an excellent "white-click" white balance is the converter Photo Ninja
which many of us UV/IR shooters use.
Title: Re: Picture Taking on Cadillac Mountain
Post by: James Fitzgerald on August 19, 2015, 05:05:03
Andrea, here is my wish list.

I would like to smush (not really a word) the two. The woman in blue?? with the motion is great in the first. The girls posing for their photograph in the second is awesome, then take out the two hikers on the left in the second and it's a perfect image. Not asking for much am I? :-) Easy to pick and choose after the fact eh?
But seriously, I think these are fine photographs.

Title: Re: Picture Taking on Cadillac Mountain
Post by: Andrea B. on August 19, 2015, 06:37:22
James, I had to try that!

You might also enjoy the 2nd image - not previously posted - showing everyone enjoying the results of all the picture taking. I think this one would only work as part of a series. It has less stand-aloneness.

I have had fun with these images.
Title: Re: Picture Taking on Cadillac Mountain
Post by: Erik Lund on August 20, 2015, 15:25:31
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Yes that is for sure flare in the sky. In this case with the "full-spectrum" D600 and the red filter on the Fishie, I thought it added to the unreal, Martian look.

I love the flare in this shot! Sorry I was so,,, vauge in my wording in the first post.  :-*

And I envy your D600 I would love to get my hands on a Super color IR converted camera similar to it! Now I have to make do with and old D200 with Standard IR convertion...

My D300 UV died on me RIP.....  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Picture Taking on Cadillac Mountain
Post by: Gary on August 20, 2015, 16:20:30
Love the flare and the IR quality.