NikonGear'23
Gear Talk => Camera Talk => Topic started by: Hugh_3170 on June 10, 2024, 16:19:16
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The pending announcement of the Nikon Z6 III has been sent out this evening by Nikon Australia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzefMARpW_I
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Another Z6, we can hardly wait.
Probably a golden opportunity to buy second-hand, "outdated" models.
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Another Z6, we can hardly wait.
:P
A Z6 with the Zf's innards would have been my ideal in February when I needed a camera. As it was, I chose the Zf over the Z6 II. It is proving quite endearing.
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The pending announcement of the Nikon Z6 III has been sent out this evening by Nikon Australia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzefMARpW_I
if the Z63 STILL live with 2450Mpix , then, maybe the A74 at similar price is better to buy
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The advance guessing seems to center on video improvements: higher (better) codecs w/o need of external recorder, etc. One consolation: My year-old Z6II will now be cheap to replace if it should encounter a fatal accident.
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A new camera at bay will keep the doctor away ;D
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A new camera at bay will keep the doctor away ;D
And an old camera on eBay ;-)
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I for once think my Z6 needs upgrading, most especially in sensor readout for silent shooting and reduced shutter lag. Af improvement will be welcome but those other two points are crucial for me. I'm forever spoiled afyer trying Birna’s Z9... I don't expect a stacked sensor but anything in that practical direction will do.
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if the Z63 STILL live with 2450Mpix , then, maybe the A74 at similar price is better to buy
For the sake of 33 MP? The difference seems too trivial to be worth changing systems.
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A new camera at bay will keep the doctor away ;D
The quest is more important than the acquiring. They say.
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if the Z63 STILL live with 2450Mpix , then, maybe the A74 at similar price is better to buy
My take: No top display, no sale. Sorry, Sony.
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I for once think my Z6 needs upgrading, most especially in sensor readout for silent shooting and reduced shutter lag. Af improvement will be welcome but those other two points are crucial for me. I'm forever spoiled afyer trying Birna’s Z9... I don't expect a stacked sensor but anything in that practical direction will do.
The same happened to me with Z6 until I shoot with z8 :) I was totally spoiled for my use case
Whatever specs Z6 III will have it will not be a Z8/9 unless it has…. a global shutter :o
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Apparently, we only have to hold our breath until June 18th. :) Then everything will be out in the open.
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For the sake of 33 MP? The difference seems too trivial to be worth changing systems.
when I used to play with 36MP and 47MP DSLR for years, I will feel the difference when using 24MP
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I for once think my Z6 needs upgrading, most especially in sensor readout for silent shooting and reduced shutter lag. Af improvement will be welcome but those other two points are crucial for me. I'm forever spoiled afyer trying Birna’s Z9... I don't expect a stacked sensor but anything in that practical direction will do.
I am ready to buy a Z9 as soon as the price falls below 4000€. Not far to go now:
https://www.e-infin.com/eu/item/4303/nikon_z9_mirrorless_digital_camera_(body_only) (https://www.e-infin.com/eu/item/4303/nikon_z9_mirrorless_digital_camera_(body_only)https://www.e-infin.com/eu/item/4304/nikon_z9_mirrorless_digital_camera_with_ftz_ii_adapter_kit_)
https://www.e-infin.com/eu/item/4304/nikon_z9_mirrorless_digital_camera_with_ftz_ii_adapter_kit_ (https://www.e-infin.com/eu/item/4303/nikon_z9_mirrorless_digital_camera_(body_only)https://www.e-infin.com/eu/item/4304/nikon_z9_mirrorless_digital_camera_with_ftz_ii_adapter_kit_)
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New pictures on Nikonrumors suggest it will have a sensor shield which is a very good thing.
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It's a very good thing - however I see no evidence to show this over on Nikon Rumors....
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Ian the second photo of the mount shows a sensor shield:
https://nikonrumors.com/2024/06/14/here-is-the-first-leaked-picture-of-the-nikon-z6-iii-camera.aspx/
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OK - hadn't seen the 2nd image - my bad ;)
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The sensor shield may suggest the elimination of the mechanical shutter?
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Supposedly, Nikon got some exclusivity thing for a stacked sensor with Sony and that brings a fat pricetag of £2700, or according to some post in an Australian group, $4500. That is very expensive.
I am using the Z6, so an upgrade would be great. The sensor shield is a welcomed feature. I do hope for a higher MPix count, maybe 30-36. 24 falls short for me to use it as a hybrid body. I do need good low-light performance but I also need some resolution for lower power objectives, so 3.5~4.5um pixels is the best balance in my opinion for my sort of work.
4k at 120 FPS would be nice, 6k would be lovely as I can do dynamic zooms for microscopy films. :P
If the pricetag leaks are real, Nikon will have to justify it.
(I want 16-bit raw, is that too much of an ask? It has been how many decades and we are still stuck at 14? Why are these camera companies so "conservative"?)
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The 14-bit raw seems to be only beneficial at lower ISO settings.
Also, the 16-bit raw should slow down the readout speed owing to its increased data size and thus could make the rolling shutter effect more apparent.
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Well, we have 1 hour and 19 minutes left.
Say hi anyway.
@Akira Yeah greater bitdepth is similar to high QE%, great when you are spoiled with light. When there is not enough light, bigger pixels produce cleaner images (lower read noise etc.)
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18999RMB 25th.June for shipping
for such price, why not buy Z63?
s5m2, a7m4, EVEN ZF is better choice, unless you really use Z63 as as a video body
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the funny thing is right now Z8 is 22000rmb in china 8)
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Here is this evenings blurb from Nikon Australia: https://view.mcd.nikon.com/?qs=6fd6a4d1c5ad0c29c3e8a9edcea2368eb9264b42e0bd0ae0359b426dbfc818cf484cfda75c82a251d8b43595808ff74d2bb52f30538c5cd3dad463cba50123feab2dfbf6f8b303ecab96efef7b37fdf2
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Well, we have 1 hour and 19 minutes left.
Say hi anyway.
@Akira Yeah greater bitdepth is similar to high QE%, great when you are spoiled with light. When there is not enough light, bigger pixels produce cleaner images (lower read noise etc.)
Have you already got one! :o Hope you enjoy your advanced purchase.
As for the bit depth, I would think that it is beneficial for the smoother gradation like the bright orange to dark blue seen at dawn or sunset. The shadow detail will, as you say, depend on the physical dynamic range of the CMOS cells.
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I got the press kit with plenty of example files. Mostly quite boring stuff, but shows selected photographers have been out shooting with the Z6.3 for half a year or so.
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Ricci has used the Z6III for some months.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTej8zJFCXY
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The Zf does not support cable release or remote triggering of SB-5000's via radio; does not support vertical grip and uses only those very small and flimsy SD and MicroSD cards. The Z6 III supports all of these accessories and proper memory cards.
If I had had thought it possible that Nikon offers zero cable release options for the Zf, I would not have purchased it. However, I got over my shock and love the Zf for its thin profile and dials. But it doesn't service as a true backup camera as if I use the SB-5000's on my primary camera and the latter fails, the Zf, nice as it is to use, cannot take those shots with remote flash. So in the end I have to purchase yet another camera.
As for Panasonic, Sony etc, they don't work with my Nikon lenses or accessories even to the degree that the Zf does. I wonder how many people spend thousands of euros on a camera body and is not already in ownership of multiple lenses and accessories and thus basically to maintain interoperability has to stay within brand. I can't really think of anyone. Sure, you can own multiple brands but how does that make things easier? Building of reflexes for instinctive use of the camera is important so having to deal with different button layouts, different directions of mounting lenses, different menus all make it harder to always be ready with the correct settings when the moment of a lifetime presents itself. So no, not considering other brands of cameras at all. Would I consider them if they used my Nikon lenses? No. Nikon already makes too many UI changes seemingly in a random fashion, switching between brands would make it still harder.
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So no sensor shield as there's still a mechanical shutter unlike Z8/Z9. The price in Switzerland is CHF 3'000 compared to 3'400 for a Z8 (incl. cash back). To me the Z8 is the way to go.
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So no sensor shield as there's still a mechanical shutter unlike Z8/Z9. The price in Switzerland is CHF 3'000 compared to 3'400 for a Z8 (incl. cash back). To me the Z8 is the way to go.
Would there be any reason why a mechanical shutter cannot act as a sensor shield, provided it is controlled to stay shut when the camera is turned off?
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In Riccis video there's a shot of the Z6lll without a lens and the sensor shield is in place...
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Would there be any reason why a mechanical shutter cannot act as a sensor shield, provided it is controlled to stay shut when the camera is turned off?
A real shutter is easy to damage by touching it.
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The Z6III surely appears do be a camera that makes significant steps further compared to her precedessors, but I find it disappointing that it still has got the PSAM wheel (which is a waste of space imh) and the U1,U2,U3 presettings that proved to be a nightmare on the Z6 and probably still no custom settings bank (or recall shooting options) in the menu. At least the button to switch between Single and continuous shooting has moved to a better place. Overall I would prefer the Z8 if I feel the need to add a capable but more compact and lightweight body to my Z9.
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I find the U1-3 settings actually quite useful - I detest having to search through menus to change simple things, and having a knob to turn makes my life a lot easier.
For the sort of photography I do I have two basic setups and being able to flip flop backwards and forwards between them is very much easier without looking through menus.
Just my take on this.
As to the rest, I personally cannot understand why Nikon insist on maintaining a mechanical shutter - the electronics in the Z8/9 have proved their worth (IMHO) surely just a marketing ploy to maintain a distance between amateur and pro? And on the plus side, it's more reliable...
Someone here mentionned not understanding the 'hot swap' in the battery grip - it's very simple - the battery carriage allows for the battery closest to the 'door' to be removed WITHOUT removing the whole carriage from the grip. In this way the camera is still running on the second battery while the first is changed. It works well - but is inordinately expensive as grips go...
Whilst the mounting plate varies to match the camera body, the battery chariot is identical in grips for the Z6ll and Z8
UPDATE - according to someone here (in France) who has actually tested the camera it DOES NOT have the sensor protection (sadly) of the Z8/9
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Z6 III Looks like a very nice small sister to the Z8 and Z9, and with even brighter viewfinder I'm sure many people will find it very attractive.
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The price here in Japan is eye watering.
Nikon prices in $, but the yen is now toilet paper.
The local prices for z6, z6ii, z7, zf, z9, z8, and z6iii are madness. Purely based on the strength of the yen when the camera was released.
We need a lifeboat here in Japan :-(
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The Z8/Z9 sensor is read in 3.7 ms while the Z6 III has been estimated around 15 ms (it has not been measured but Nikon said it would be 3.5x faster than the Z6 II.
Some people still have problems with flickering lights causing banding with the Z8/9 and the Z6 III with its somewhat slower read time would make these worse when operating using the purely electronic shutter. I have not personally had banding issues with the Z8 but it really is a question of the lighting you have to work with. With a mechanical shutter you get softer boundaries between the bands so they are less noticable. The Z6 III needs the mechanical shutter to avoid banding problems in artificial light and tilted verticals when panning a fast moving subject etc. Mechanical shutter is also needed with flash if you want to use a faster speed than 1/60s. The sync speed is 1/200s for the mechanical and 1/60s for the electronic shutter in the Z6 III.
Although my Z8 works with my Nikon flashes and Elinchroms also at fast shutter speeds, there are user reports with problems using other flashes that may be due to timing of the pulse series vs. read time of the sensor or something like that. Be that as it may, electronic shutter can have issues with flash compatibility. Again I have not run into these myself (I don't go for the cheapest flash brands) but these have been reported online.
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The Z8/Z9 sensor is read in 3.7 ms while the Z6 III has been estimated around 15 ms (it has not been measured but Nikon said it would be 3.5x faster than the Z6 II.
Apparently for Z6 III it was measured at 9.47ms for 6K N-Raw video, and can get shorter in crop mode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDm9CbRxyg0&t=501s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDm9CbRxyg0&t=501s) , still a lot slower than Z9/Z8.
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Apparently for Z6 III it was measured at 9.47ms for 6K N-Raw video, and can get shorter in crop mode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDm9CbRxyg0&t=501s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDm9CbRxyg0&t=501s) , still a lot slower than Z9/Z8.
In that case it is faster than the Z9/Z8's 14.5 ms for 8K RAW video (as reported by cined.com):
https://www.cined.com/nikon-z-9-n-raw-lab-test-fw-3-00-rolling-shutter-dynamic-range-and-latitude/
The Z8/Z9 have very fast sensor read time for stills (3.7 ms) but it is not as fast for video; I believe the reason for this is to manage heat production in long clips, if the sensor was read faster it might consume more electricity and produce more heat. Stills are expected to be made individually or in short(ish) bursts while video might be recorded for even 1 hour or more in some cases.
So it would seem from this perspective that the Z6 III sensor is more optimized for video than stills, if this is confirmed.
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The price here in Japan is eye watering.
Nikon prices in $, but the yen is now toilet paper.
The local prices for z6, z6ii, z7, zf, z9, z8, and z6iii are madness. Purely based on the strength of the yen when the camera was released.
We need a lifeboat here in Japan :-(
come to china then, everything now is in good price 8)
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About $A4,500 here in Melbourne! :o
(Oh wait - there is more - an extra battery and an $11 (yes an eleven dollar) discount!!!)
I guess not before the boxing day sales for me. ;)
The price here in Japan is eye watering.
Nikon prices in $, but the yen is now toilet paper.
The local prices for z6, z6ii, z7, zf, z9, z8, and z6iii are madness. Purely based on the strength of the yen when the camera was released.
We need a lifeboat here in Japan :-(
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New version of NX studio released supporting the Z6 III:
https://downloadcenter.nikonimglib.com/en/download/sw/255.html (https://downloadcenter.nikonimglib.com/en/download/sw/255.html)
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New version of NX studio released supporting the Z6 III:
https://downloadcenter.nikonimglib.com/en/download/sw/255.html (https://downloadcenter.nikonimglib.com/en/download/sw/255.html)
I had to stop using NX because it was crashing all the time and it looks like this update has fixed that for me. Thanks Nikon!
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There is some vague info about a possible upgrade of picture profiles, which hopefully would trickle down (and up) to other cameras.
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Those picture controls can be applied in post for other cameras in the latest NX Studio version, try the Flexible Picture Control that provides a lot of extra settings. It can even be applied to my D40x files.
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Had the opportunity to briefly attend a hands-on presentation of the Z6III today. The viewfinder (which is imho the most remarkable feature of this camera) appears to be a significant improvement over what we had up to now - the daylight gap to SLR is at least smaller now.
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Yeah, it was disappointing.
I picked up a used Z8 for $200 more than the retail price of the Z6 III.
It included a couple of Cfe cards an SD card and an FTZ, all of which I will just sell, this will push the price of the Z8 to below that of a new Z6 III.
I have been using a Z6 for quite some time. The upgrade is significant but feels like nothing for my work, I will even bet that in the realms of read noise for low light stills, the partially stacked sensor will be worse than the old Z6. If I wanted that, I might as well get a Z8 with the stacked sensor. I can downsample my fluorescence microscopy images for similar results, and reap the benefits of 45Mpix for lower magnifications.
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5 years for this.
As for the image I posted, someone sent it to me. They also sent it to Nikon Rumours.
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For me the form factor alone was deceive enough to choose the Z8 over the Z6 III camera, with large hands it's quite obvious ;)
But, I am looking forward to try Z6 III out to see the difference in the viewfinder to Z8 and Z9.
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Morten Hilmer took it out in the field:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW68q7iJ130 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW68q7iJ130)
Seems to be pretty horse-proof (23:30) ;D