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Re: The new Nikon mirrorless system
« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2018, 07:36:06 »
Birna is pleased and order both... That is a very good sign. I'm excited to see can they can do.

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Re: The new Nikon mirrorless system
« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2018, 07:39:50 »
The lack of support for "screwdriver AF" was expected and is similar to the situation for all except the higher-end Nikons today. There is always the possibility of another FTZ model that incorporates an additional motor to drive these old lenses, but this solution will be bulky and counterproductive to having a small camera.

Taking a coffee break now. The last 24 hours have been hectic.

In answer to a question not yet asked, "how fast will Birna have the review camera", this occurs within September when her Z7 arrives. There are only pre-production camera in existence now and they only deliver jpg.
Yes given the trends, shrinking AFD support is understandable.

The other more weighty message I read in the corporate focus on Full Frame are the implications for AFD.
 
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Re: The new Nikon mirrorless system
« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2018, 07:48:59 »
My friend Jan Anne and a good deal more people will also find the new 500/5.6 PF pretty interesting.

It is an upsized version of the current 300/4 PF and weighs less than 1.5 kg. Only 23 cm tall.

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Re: The new Nikon mirrorless system
« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2018, 07:51:57 »
The compact nature of the new 500 becomes apparent when it is mated to the Z camera. The balance is still excellent.

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Re: The new Nikon mirrorless system
« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2018, 07:57:42 »
Focusing speed of the new 500 was quick on my humble Df, less so with the Z6. However, the latter performance might be influenced heavily by the multitude of menu settings for focusing behaviour. Without a manual to read, optimising the camera is not a simple task.

Image quality was crisp enough and high-light blurs were rounded with ever so slightly touch of "onion rings" to them. Some tendency towards "cat's eye" into the corners is noticeable, although probably not that important for practical shooting.

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Re: The new Nikon mirrorless system
« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2018, 08:08:35 »
Part of the reason is this
Wow, the 58/0.95 lens is huge, reminds me of the Sigma 105/1.4 ... :o

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Re: The new Nikon mirrorless system
« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2018, 08:09:46 »
Filter size is 82mm for that Noct Z. Nikon said it would be manual focus only. The VR is provided by the camera by default (5 dimensions).

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Re: The new Nikon mirrorless system
« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2018, 08:13:32 »
The Noct has a focusing scale so may not be focus by wire like the others.

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Re: The new Nikon mirrorless system
« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2018, 08:25:59 »
The lack of support for "screwdriver AF" was expected and is similar to the situation for all except the higher-end Nikons today. There is always the possibility of another FTZ model that incorporates an additional motor to drive these old lenses, but this solution will be bulky and counterproductive to having a small camera.

I agree that it may be impractical to put the AF motor in the adapter and AF performance on mirrorless would likely not be good.

However, all the previous Nikon FX models have had the AF motor in the body.

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Re: The new Nikon mirrorless system
« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2018, 08:27:30 »
There is no mechanical linkage in the Z cameras. All is electronic.

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Re: The new Nikon mirrorless system
« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2018, 08:29:17 »
An excerpt of the Nikon blurb describing the new camera follow. For technies out there, there is a lot of details to be absorbed and contemplated.

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Z 7 and Z 6 product overview

The Z 7 and Z 6 are equipped with a new backside illumination full-frame, Nikon FX-format CMOS sensor with built-in focal-plane phase-detection AF and the latest image-processing engine, EXPEED 6.

The Z 7 has 45.7 effective megapixels, and supports a standard sensitivity range of ISO 64–25600. In combination with NIKKOR Z lenses, the camera achieves an outstanding level of sharpness and detail, all the way to the edges of the image.

The Z 6 is an all-purpose FX-format camera with an effective pixel count of 24.5 megapixels, and supports the wide range of ISO 100–51200 standard sensitivities. With superior performance at high sensitivities and full-frame 4K UHD movie recording with full pixel readout, the Z 6 responds to a variety of needs, such as shooting in dimly lit environments, and movie recording.


Primary features of the Z 7 and Z 6

1. Equipped with a new backside illumination Nikon FX-format CMOS sensor with built-in focal-plane phase-detection AF

A backside illumination CMOS sensor, with built-in focal-plane phase-detection AF points, has been adopted for both the Z 7 and the Z 6. The Z 7 has an effective pixel count of 45.7 megapixels, and supports ISO 64–25600 range of standard sensitivities (reduction to the equivalent of ISO 32 and expansion to the equivalent of ISO 102400 is also possible). The Z 6has an effective pixel count of 24.5 megapixels, and supports a broad range of standard sensitivities, from ISO 100–51200 (additional reduction to the equivalent of ISO 50 and expansion to the equivalent of ISO 204800).

2. A hybrid AF system with focus points covering approximately 90% of the imaging area

The Z 7 has 493 focus points* and the Z 6 has 273, enabling broad coverage of approximately 90% of the imaging area both horizontally and vertically. This hybrid AF system uses an algorithm optimised for the FX-format sensor, to automatically switch between focal-plane phase-detection AF and contrast-detect AF with focusing. The use of NIKKOR Z lenses further maximises AF accuracy with both still images and movies.

*With FX (36×24) image area and single-point AF enabled.

3. The new EXPEED 6 image-processing engine for sharp and clear imaging and new functions that support creative expression

The Z 7 and Z 6 are equipped with the new EXPEED 6 image-processing engine. Employing the superior resolving power of NIKKOR Z and NIKKOR F mount lenses, subjects are rendered more sharply than ever before. Noise is also effectively reduced.

Additionally, a mid-range sharpening option has been added to Picture Control sharpness parameters. This option, along with existing sharpening and clarity parameters, allows users to make various textures within the screen sharper or softer, for both still images and movies*. The cameras also offer 20 options of Creative Picture Control, supporting creative expression. The effect level is adjustable from 0 to 100.

*Mid-range sharpness adjustment is only possible at “High quality” movie setting.

4. An electronic viewfinder that utilises Nikon's superior optical and image-processing technologies to offer a clear and natural view

The electronic viewfinder adopted for the Z 7 and Z 6 is comfortable and easy to use, comparable to optical viewfinders. Both cameras are equipped with an electronic viewfinder for which an approximately 3,690k-dot OLED panel has been adopted. The electronic viewfinder has, respectively, frame coverage and magnification of approximately 100% and 0.8×, as well as an approximately 37.0° diagonal viewing angle. It draws on Nikon's superior optical technologies and image-processing technologies, ensuring a clear and comfortable view comparable to that of optical viewfinders, with reduced aberration and minimum eyestrain, even during extended shoots. Furthermore, a fluorine coat that effectively repels dirt has been applied to the eyepiece protection window. In addition, the <i> menu can be displayed in the electronic viewfinder, allowing users to quickly view and adjust a variety of shooting settings, including ISO sensitivity, AF-area mode, and Picture Control, all while looking through the viewfinder.

5. An ergonomic design unique to Nikon that enables intuitive operation

The Z 7 and Z 6 have inherited the superior operability that Nikon has cultivated over the years through its development of cameras. The bodies are compact, while boasting a firm grip that is easy to hold, and buttons such as that for the subselector, AF-ON, ISO, and exposure compensation are all placed so that they can be operated swiftly and easily. Additionally, a display panel has been placed on the top part of the camera, where information about settings can be displayed, same as with high-end digital SLR camera models.

6. Movie functions such as 10-bit N-Log that enables wide dynamic range, and timecoding that respond to professional needs

The Z 7 and Z 6 support recording of not only full-frame 4K UHD (3840 × 2160)/30p movies using the FX-based movie format, but also full-HD/120p movies. Sharper 4K UHD movies are made possible, using the full-pixel readout.*1 Additionally, Active D-Lighting, electronic vibration reduction, and focus peaking can be used with 4K UHD and full-HD movie recording. Nikon’s original N-Log can also be used with 10-bit*2 HDMI output. The cameras utilise extensive colour depth and twelve-stop, 1,300% dynamic range to record*3 a wealth of tone information from highlights and shadows for more effective colour grading. Timecode support makes synchronising video and sound to footage recorded across multiple devices easier. Additionally, the control ring built into NIKKOR Z lenses can be used to quietly and smoothly adjust settings such as aperture and exposure compensation.

*1 Excluding FX base movie format for the Z 7
*2 Simultaneous recording of 4K UHD movies with 10-bit output to the camera's memory card is not possible.
*3Not available when shooting slow-motion movies. .

7. Nikon's first*1 in-camera vibration reduction with approx. 5.0-stop*2 effectiveness

The Z 7 and Z 6 are equipped with in-camera vibration reduction (VR). The VR unit provides compensation for movement along five axes. The effects of vibration reduction are equivalent to a shutter speed increase of approximately 5.0 stops*1. This function can also be used effectively with NIKKOR F lenses, including those not equipped with a VR function, with the FTZ mount adapter (sold separately)*3.

*1 Among interchangeable-lens cameras
*2 Measured in accordance with CIPA standards (using the NIKKOR Z 24-70mm f/4 S at the telephoto zoom position).
*3 The level of compensation achieved when a NIKKOR F mount lens is used is not as high as when a NIKKOR Z lens is used.

8. Other features
•   Operation system that is inherited from Nikon digital SLR cameras enables intuitive operation of buttons and switches
•   Same level of strength and durability, as well as dust- and drip- resistance, as the Nikon D850, offered in a compact body
•   An 8.0-cm 3.2-in., approximately 2,100k-dot touch-sensitive LCD monitor, with a tilting mechanism
•   Silent photography eliminates shake and noise caused by shutter release. A new peaking stack image function*1 allows the user to confirm the correct settings after focus shift shooting. A simulated monochrome image using focus peaking technology emulates how the depth of field will look after all images are combined to a focus stack in editing software*2
•   High-speed continuous shooting (extended)*3 at approximately 9 fps (Z 7) and 12 fps (Z 6) captures fast motion
•   Interval timer photography that makes 8K (Z 7) time-lapse movie creation*2 possible
•   An extended low-light metering range*4 allows users to easily capture scenes such as the transition from sunset to starry night sky, using auto exposure
•   Built-in Wi-Fi® for direct connection to a smart device using SnapBridge
•   Built-in Wi-Fi® makes the transfer of images and movies to a computer possible
•   Support for existing digital SLR camera accessories such as the WT-7 wireless transmitter (available separately) for transferring images and movies at high speed over a wired or wireless LAN, and radio-controlled Advanced Wireless Lighting, which makes flexible multi-flash photography possible


*1 Can only be confirmed using the camera with which focus shift was performed.
*2 Third-party software is required.
*3 Continuous H (extended) in 12-bit RAW, JPEG, or TIFF format
*4 With interval timer shooting or time-lapse movie recording with silent photography and exposure smoothing enabled.


Development of the MB-N10 Battery Pack

The MB-N10 battery pack that is currently in development will hold two EN-EL15b rechargeable Li-ion batteries, effectively increasing the number of shots possible and/or movie recording time by approximately 1.8×. It will provide the same level of dust and drip resistance as the Z 7 and Z 6, and will support USB charging using the EH-7P charging AC adapter.

Information regarding the release of this product will be announced at a later date.

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Re: The new Nikon mirrorless system
« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2018, 08:35:49 »
I sometimes question the competency of marketing department managers.

The lens roadmap show no long tele lenses at all for the next 3 or more years.
The 500/5.6 PF is a totally new design, and being so small, I would have thought a perfect lens design to have the lens design team create parallel samples for both the F mount(a commonly asked for lens type) AND a native Z mount.

The biggest criticism of the other mirrorless 135 format system has always been the lack of long tele lenses for their system.

So in Nikon's case, for them to not concurrently design a Z mount version of the 500/5.6 makes absolutely no sense.
How much harder would it have been to have designed a Z mount version of this lens as well?

Basically: their action implies that Nikon is going to be heavily reliant on the FTZ for Z mount owners to mount long tele lenses .. for how long?
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Re: The new Nikon mirrorless system
« Reply #29 on: August 23, 2018, 08:42:53 »
The implication at present is that most people will not plunk down thousands of $$ to buy yet another long lens for a new system. One should be aware that the FTZ effectively turns the Z camera into an equivalent DSLR in terms of what optics can be handled, with very few limitations and for current Nikkors, none at all. The adapter mounts solid as a rock, no wobbling at all partly thanks to a robust construction and the very wide mounting base. In fact I was surprised how "native F" it appeared when put on the Z6/7.

Until the Z has become the dominating Nikon, we will likely not see parallel development of really long lenses. Sooner or later the focal point of development will be on Z Nikkors, but at present the perceived need is for short native lenses not the long cannons. I expect a lot of users will run F- and Z-systems concurrently, like I plan to do. Then the maximum of interoperability is using FTZ so most lenses can be used on either system, plus having a bread-and-butter lens on the Z.

Long lenses can be easily designed for both systems, though. Sooner or later there will be a divide, but no predictions for when that paradigm shift will occur is possible today. Meanwhile, put the FTZ on your long Nikkor and enjoy it on a Z.