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Re: I just bought this lens for half price (ships August 2018)
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2018, 10:06:00 »
He he, nice one Jakov! Very graphic appealing - somehow the image just vibrates :)
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Re: I just bought this lens for half price (ships August 2018)
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2018, 17:07:57 »
Yes, I am a proud owner of the 85/1.5 Helios (Zenit).
It costs about 200$ and the results are very similar.

Looks like being take through buble glass!!!
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Re: I just bought this lens for half price (ships August 2018)
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2018, 14:35:47 »
Looks like a real old school rendering  ;D

currently there is a delay in delivery and also a delay in reimbursement. I got a message that basically says the founder and manager has had a severe accident and the cannot even say how project management is to deal with reimbursements or withg finishing projects they have begun. The say customers should wait until end of October for further notice.
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Re: I just bought this lens for half price (ships August 2018)
« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2018, 17:40:40 »
I funded the Nocturnus and am not expecting to see either the lens or my money.

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Re: I just bought this lens for half price (ships August 2018)
« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2018, 21:04:20 »
Net SE, the holding company behind Meyer Optik Görlitz, and other filed for bankruptcy. I guess that all the cash raised through crowdfunding burned in the car crash of its founder, Stefan Immes ...

https://petapixel.com/2018/08/10/the-company-behind-hit-lens-revivals-on-kickstarter-is-on-life-support/

Last annual accounts date from September 2016:

http://www.netag.de/investor-relations/berichte-und-downloads/

Forget it. BTW, impossible to order something: the shopping card doesn’t work (anymore).



I also quote following comments:

“Globell B.V., net SE’s main operational subsidiary (it’s a software editor and distributor, net SE’s original business), renamed ColorTec B.V. as of 24 October 2017, was declared insolvent as of 7 November 2017 and liquidated and dissolved as of 29 May 2018, some two months before Dr Immes’s alleged ‚traffic accident‘.
https://www.crediteurenlijst.nl/nl/Insolvencies/Details/5245
https://drimble.nl/bedrijf/venlo/16451244/globell-bv.html
This could have been the main cash drain, temporarily ‚patched‘ by the lens crowdfunding projects.”
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Re: I just bought this lens for half price (ships August 2018)
« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2018, 22:39:31 »
fraud???

seems so. Then there is something to do about it.
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Re: I just bought this lens for half price (ships August 2018)
« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2018, 23:20:36 »
fraud???

seems so. Then there is something to do about it.

You might look into the possible liabilities of the crowdfunding platform, as there is probably more to grab than with netSE or it subsidiaries.

“Financial Crime: Recently issued by The Securities and Exchange Commission, Title III of the Jumpstart of Business Startups (JOBS) Act has established new regulations for crowdfunding platforms. In sum, crowdfunding platforms must exercise due diligence, monitor transactions, and implement anti-fraud measures on all businesses seeking to advertise for and receive funding through their website. Essentially, a crowdfunding platform can be exposed to risk in the event of any sort of financial crime.”
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Re: I just bought this lens for half price (ships August 2018)
« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2018, 23:48:59 »
SE is a 1€-GmbH
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Re: I just bought this lens for half price (ships August 2018)
« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2018, 23:53:42 »
You should also look into this https://www.kickstarter.com/blog/accountability-on-kickstarter?lang=en

I don’t want to discourage you, but there is little chance that you recover your funds or the item ordered. Unless fraud is proven, it’s a normal business risk. And even with the former, difficult to recover funds where there are none.  :-[
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Re: I just bought this lens for half price (ships August 2018)
« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2018, 09:02:58 »
"Is a creator legally obligated to fulfill the promises of their project?

Yes. Kickstarter's Terms of Use require creators to fulfill all rewards of their project or refund any backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill. (This is what creators see before they launch.) We crafted these terms to create a legal requirement for creators to follow through on their projects, and to give backers a recourse if they don't. We hope that backers will consider using this provision only in cases where they feel that a creator has not made a good faith effort to complete the project and fulfill"
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Re: I just bought this lens for half price (ships August 2018)
« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2018, 15:39:27 »
Frank keep us posted on this please.

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Re: I just bought this lens for half price (ships August 2018)
« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2018, 16:14:16 »
Frank keep us posted on this please.

My hope is small.

Yet: In the case of fraud the people responsible in the fraudulent company are personally responsible and liable with their private assets.
Currently we have a case of "insolvency" and an attorney specialized on these cases has taken over the responsiblity. You can compare this to "Chapter 11" in the USA.

ONE possible outcome it that the company is bankrupt, meaning that the dept cannot be served by assets and income in the forseeable future.

ANOTHER possible outcome is restructuring and size reduction and continued production.

In case of "insolvency" the workers still come to work and work what is possible with the materials, rooms and other ressources left to them, which might well be all. The wages are partly paid by the social insurance to alleviate the burdon on the insolvent company a little.

In case of "bankruptcy" all assets are converted into money and the dept is paid following some complicated regulation. After that the company is gone, although brand names can be sellable assets, so: even if the company is gone the brand names and products can live on in other companies. Also the workers are not gone, they might even keep to work on similar projects under new ownership. In that case the probability that the new company will cater to the contracts of the old company is small though.

SO: keep you fingers crossed.
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Re: I just bought this lens for half price (ships August 2018)
« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2018, 13:57:11 »
now I have written word from the insolvency administrator's office. I need a lawyer to check what to do.
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Re: I just bought this lens for half price (ships August 2018)
« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2018, 17:15:53 »
Did you use PayPal?

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Re: I just bought this lens for half price (ships August 2018)
« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2018, 19:17:48 »
Did you use PayPal?

yes. does that help me?
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