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Re: The Organ Thread
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2015, 12:39:28 »
Indeed, tuning and temperament vary considerably. Whether A is a good reference is disputable, by the way. For reference, historically encountered "A" may lie typically one tone lower (around 390Hz, French baroque...) to about half a tone higher (around 460Hz, Northern German baroque) at ambient temperature level. Nowadays most organs are tuned around 440 Hz at 15°C to 20°C. Organ tone is very sensitive to pitch. Big blunders have been made in the past with Cavaillé-Coll organs by moving them from 435 to 440... this was done in Orléans cathedral (hoping to facilitate the play with other instruments) and had to be reversed. Reason is (much simplified) that tone height has something to do with pipe length, but changing the pipe length while leaving, necessarily, other dimensions unaffected subtly but definitely changes the tone. This is even more the case with reed pipes (trumpets etc.).
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« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2015, 13:21:13 »
Another organ perhaps?
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« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2015, 13:23:00 »
Frank and Airy, thanks for the link and explanation.

Yes, I know that the A=440 is so-called modern pitch, and the standard pitch varies from country to country, area to area.

Of course, the tuning should not necessarily the well-tempered one either.

The "tone" should be strongly related to the size and natural acoustic of the cathedral, and changing the pitch may not be a good idea.
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« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2015, 14:05:02 »
Well, changing the pitch necessarily leads to alterations of the pipework. Organ metal, unlike strings, is not elastic. So pitch changes are major interventions; like surgery, they leaves scars. Consequently, organists had better get used to hearing a G# when they play an A (those gifted with absolute hearing may endure a torture).

Even tuning, if not carried out properly, can damage pipes.
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« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2015, 14:44:09 »
Also, altering the pipework means that you have to work on thousands of pipes, if the organ is large, right?  That's a fainting job!

And yes, that's one reson that perfect pitch is not always a good thing for a musician.
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« Reply #35 on: July 24, 2015, 16:55:42 »
I did a full tuning once (it takes two guys by the way, one at the keyboards and one at the pipes) on a relatively small organ, about 1000 pipes. You get ears ringing and greasy dirt from candle soot under your fingernails. And it is even more fun when done at night.
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« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2015, 22:08:49 »
Kortrijk (Belgium). Oly OM-D + 12mm if I remember correctly
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« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2015, 00:46:28 »
Love this antique organ.  Nice to see the bellows as well.
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« Reply #38 on: July 25, 2015, 09:22:02 »
Airy. Where are the pipes?
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« Reply #39 on: July 25, 2015, 09:41:11 »
Airy. Where are the pipes?
Right behind the double door above the keyboards?
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« Reply #40 on: July 25, 2015, 09:51:44 »
The pipes are inside, as usual. The front pipes, as seen from the chapel :

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« Reply #41 on: July 25, 2015, 09:55:45 »
Oh, this is majestic!
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« Reply #42 on: July 25, 2015, 12:28:12 »
Small and very nice to play and listen to. Perfect for chamber music. This one is usually played by a certain Mr. Kuijken, who lives nearby.
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« Reply #43 on: July 25, 2015, 12:58:34 »
Small and very nice to play and listen to. Perfect for chamber music. This one is usually played by a certain Mr. Kuijken, who lives nearby.

Great!  But I only know the violinist, the gambist and the fluitist Kuijkens.  Is he a son of any?
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« Reply #44 on: July 25, 2015, 13:56:55 »
I love the woodwork. I know many cases with organ pipes open
on the side of the table even with small incarnations.

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