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Gear Talk => Lens Talk => Topic started by: Luc on June 04, 2019, 22:52:18
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A few test images with this new lens on a Z6. The performance of the new S lenses reminds me of the better Micro Four Thirds lenses, sharp at large apertures even in the corners. I guess the advantage of the larger Z-mount.
I'm also very pleased with the Jpeg output of the Z6 as I want/need to reduce my processing time at the computer. So these images are mildly processed Jpegs :)
1. f1.8
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48002778107_c9c4ee3d8b_h.jpg)
2. f2.2
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48002798066_99f4f6cfc1_h.jpg)
3. f2.2
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48002776278_8ea57ba1ac_h.jpg)
4. f4
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48002797676_cc20e8d97e_h.jpg)
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terrific, also the color rendering ... I can await a good deal ... no need to hurry
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Very good lens, very good samples. I am still waiting for 85 S one, or, maybe, Tam or Sig, 100-135 Z mount only, whichever coming first. OK, will see. LZ
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These are impressive. I'm with LZ waiting on the 85 f1.8S. I have quite few 50mm lenses . My local dealer just yesterday advised me to wait a month before buying the 35 1.8 or 50 f1.8 , Many locations are already discounting the 50 S but not India. I do not know if he means price will come down or has info on the 85 S. I am missing the ability to AF the 85 1.4D and DC105 f2D so for the moment the Sony a7iii gets the call for lowlight, indoor Events.
Thanks for posting these.
Tom
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Vivid bright colours and evidently a very sharp lens, yet for me it edges "the digital look".
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its a really nice lens. :o :o :o
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Vivid bright colours and evidently a very sharp lens, yet for me it edges "the digital look".
Yes, agree.
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It is available over here for 449 Euro taking into account the 200 Euro summer rebate (together with Z6 body and FTZ adapter 2299 Euro). IMHO not bad at all for this kind of quality, "digital" look or not...
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I bought mine from a dependable German seller (FotoMundus) for just €348, see http://nikongear.net/revival/index.php/topic,8548.msg141102.html#msg141102
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Best price here today is Euro 569. Too bad my wife does not have a UK trip planned. Amazon prime 399 pounds. Grrrrrr
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Extremely clean rendering, and good bokeh apparently (see f/2.2 picture: nearly no outlining; f/1.8 pic very smooth).
Today at PCH in Brussels, I resisted temptation (exactly that setup - Z6+FTZ+50/1.8S, around 2500 with all rebates)
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So these images are mildly processed Jpegs :)
Nice renderings, but I have a question. Can you be more forthcoming concerning what you call "mildly processed Jpegs"?
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As a basis I use Jpegs (Active d-lighting Low) with in-camera Standard Picture Control adjustments
Sharpening +3, Mid-range sharpening +2, Clarity +1, Contrast -1
Image #1 adjustments in Lightroom;
Exposure +0,30
Contrast +10
Highlights -10
Shadows +15
Vibrance +10
Sharpening Amount 50, Radius 2.0, Detail 25, Masking 50
Camera Calibration Blue Primary/Hue -10
Export Output Sharpening Standard
I hope this is of use to you (and others).
The images shot with the Z 24-70mm have less pop ooc so I adjust accordingly in Lightroom.
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As a basis I use Jpegs (Active d-lighting Low) with in-camera Standard Picture Control adjustments
Sharpening +3, Mid-range sharpening +2, Clarity +1, Contrast -1
Image #1 adjustments in Lightroom;
Exposure +0,30
Contrast +10
Highlights -10
Shadows +15
Vibrance +10
Sharpening Amount 50, Radius 2.0, Detail 25, Masking 50
Camera Calibration Blue Primary/Hue -10
Export Output Sharpening Standard
I hope this is of use to you (and others).
The images shot with the Z 24-70mm have less pop ooc so I adjust accordingly in Lightroom.
Wow, that is more than I expected, thank you! :)
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I don’t understand why so many of you are waiting for a “deal”. This lens is a steal for $600. A $600 lens that compares quite favorably with a $4000 Otus is a no-brainer, IMO. I bought mine with the camera and I’m super delighted with it. This lens all by itself is a good reason to get a Z. Based on the performance of the 50, the 85 should be stellar.
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I've neglected this excellent lens for some time. Time to make up for that.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49566147282_5da5d8dd9e_h.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49565915486_aece18bef8_h.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49566146967_e0b7a569fa_h.jpg)
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Luc,
What is that first photo? Looks like it might be a swing-arm with integrated electric motor. Seems like it would be extra wide and also a lot of unsprung weight.
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The lens seems to show an amazing crispness which is very appropriate for rendering mechanics like these.
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Nice examples Luc,
The lens is pretty sharp and also good at night.
Posted earlier in 'Windows' https://nikongear.net/revival/index.php?topic=2647.540 (https://nikongear.net/revival/index.php?topic=2647.540)
(https://nikongear.net/revival/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2647.0;attach=42387;image)
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Nice examples Luc,
The lens is pretty sharp and also good at night.
Posted earlier in 'Windows' https://nikongear.net/revival/index.php?topic=2647.540 (https://nikongear.net/revival/index.php?topic=2647.540)
John, was the lens wide open? The neon sign looks very sharp and is not diffused!
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I checked EXIF , this is at f/1.8. I regard this lens perfect wide open. And too sharp when stopped down ;)
In post processing the highlights and whites have been reduced but that did not have an effect on the lack of diffuse nor sharpness. I had overwritten the built-in profile by choosing another lens which profile I made myself.
On a sidenote: I dislike the built-in profile system, and hardly use any lens corrections at all, as they are some else's templates...
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Another example at f/1.8
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Luc,
What is that first photo? Looks like it might be a swing-arm with integrated electric motor. Seems like it would be extra wide and also a lot of unsprung weight.
Jack, it's a cnc machined aluminium swingarm for a Yamaha V-Max motorcycle. A piece of art if you ask me. Very expensive! More info http://exactrep.com/acatalog/-OTEC--CNC-Machined-Alloy-250-Swingarm-inc.-8.5--Rear-Wheel--or-Pair--186_S.html (http://exactrep.com/acatalog/-OTEC--CNC-Machined-Alloy-250-Swingarm-inc.-8.5--Rear-Wheel--or-Pair--186_S.html)
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Great additions to this thread, thanks John!
It's a great lens with emphasis on corner to corner sharpness already at large aperture. But it lacks a certain character. Well, you can't have both.
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Kathmandu sunset, jan 31, 2020
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49501907807_85961052ff_o.jpg)
Z6 -- 50mm f/1.8S @ f/5.6
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Great atmospherical Shot, Fons.
Thanks Luc.
Again with f/1.8
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The power of resolution can't be questioned here. The totally perfect lens, one of the best on the market today, on this matter. The rest of its privacy is fully discussable, its character, light renditions, so on and on, why not! LZ
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Thank you John
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Super photo Fons.
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Super photo Fons.
Thank you Mike
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Kathmandu sunset, jan 31, 2020
Z6 -- 50mm f/1.8S @ f/5.6
Fons, this is awesome in a couple of different reasons!
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Fons, this is awesome in a couple of different reasons!
Thank you Akira.
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Kathmandu sunset, jan 31, 2020
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49501907807_85961052ff_o.jpg)
Z6 -- 50mm f/1.8S @ f/5.6
Wow! Great shot, Fons.
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Great atmospherical Shot, Fons.
Thanks Luc.
Again with f/1.8
Good shot, John. Isn't it nice being able to shoot lenses wide open with such results? I've shot Micro Four Thirds for quite some time and the prime lenses of that system can be also be used wide open but Nikon seems to trump those with the new Z lenses.
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Good shot, John. Isn't it nice being able to shoot lenses wide open with such results? I've shot Micro Four Thirds for quite some time and the prime lenses of that system can be also be used wide open but Nikon seems to trump those with the new Z lenses.
Thanks Luc. True, that is a treat, so little well known lens - 'defects' wide open. Very convenient for a number a subjects. The lens is also extremely sharp, especially a bit stopped down ;)
But I do not understand why Nikon choose for a 'built-in' profile, if lenses are that good.... Hopefully Adobe or other raw builders come soon with a solution for that.
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thank you Luc
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Kathmandu sunset, jan 31, 2020
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49501907807_85961052ff_o.jpg)
Z6 -- 50mm f/1.8S @ f/5.6
Just fantastic - The light is breathtakingly beautiful would probabl be amazing as a large print - Thank you for sharing
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I fully agree!
Same for John's night shot.
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But I do not understand why Nikon choose for a 'built-in' profile, if lenses are that good.... Hopefully Adobe or other raw builders come soon with a solution for that.
If I'm not mistaken, this has been Adobe's practice for most mirrorless camera raw files; the manufacturers supply a built-in lens correction profile and Adobe applies it automatically. In DSLRs such profiles are not typically provided by the cameras in the raw files. However, I think Adobe should offer the user the option for the built-in profile NOT to be applied and just render the raw data using a basic algorithm. Other raw converters do allow this data to be converted without profile application.
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FTZ adapted lenses will allow for lens profiles editing, interesting to see that default sharpening with the built-in profile is quite minimal compared to adapted lenses.
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There is reported to be a way around the built-in lens profile using exiftool
https://community.adobe.com/t5/camera-raw/deactivate-integrated-lens-profiles/td-p/9572619?page=1
However, you may want to store the original file also.
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If I'm not mistaken, this has been Adobe's practice for most mirrorless camera raw files; the manufacturers supply a built-in lens correction profile and Adobe applies it automatically. In DSLRs such profiles are not typically provided by the cameras in the raw files.
Perhaps Nikon should reconsider this option to deliver only built-in lens profiles. This looks like a consumer thing.
However, I think Adobe should offer the user the option for the built-in profile NOT to be applied and just render the raw data using a basic algorithm. Other raw converters do allow this data to be converted without profile application.
True, one should expect a more active attitude of Adobe in this matter.
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FTZ adapted lenses will allow for lens profiles editing, interesting to see that default sharpening with the built-in profile is quite minimal compared to adapted lenses.
You mean all AF-S lenses which were used via the FTZ-Adapter?
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With Capture One it's possible to disable the default lens correction. See the info in this link https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/articles/360003374118-Disable-Default-Lens-Corrections (https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/articles/360003374118-Disable-Default-Lens-Corrections)
I tested it on the image below. To me it looks like the Z 50mm f1.8 is minimally corrected in Capture One.
Corrected
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49565916216_12089be9d8_b.jpg)
Uncorrected
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49584698343_4d4aaa30df_b.jpg)
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The built-in lens profile, according to Adobe, does handle chromatic aberration, distortion and vignetting. It is easy to see for Z50S files opened in Capture NX-D (the free download at Nikon) that there is visibly some barrel distortion and some vignetting, both being corrected after settings are changed from off to auto.
Chromatic aberration correction didn't do that much (for the limited number of files I examined).
B.t.w. Capture NX-D respects the camera settings; it takes over both settings for distortion and vignetting.
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DxO PhotoLab also allows the lens distortion correction to be disabled.
To my eye, the 50 f/1.8s has about the same amount of barrel distortion as the 50 f/1.4g. Not enough to worry about most of the time.
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Fons I agree with all the praise. I've been to Kathmandu and this shot really takes me there. Wonderful
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The built-in lens profile, according to Adobe, does handle chromatic aberration, distortion and vignetting. It is easy to see for Z50S files opened in Capture NX-D (the free download at Nikon) that there is visibly some barrel distortion and some vignetting, both being corrected after settings are changed from off to auto.
Chromatic aberration correction didn't do that much (for the limited number of files I examined).
B.t.w. Capture NX-D respects the camera settings; it takes over both settings for distortion and vignetting.
Yes, looks like it.
50/1.8S f/1.8 1/400 ISO 100
First one is correction-less. All the lens-corrections were flagged out in Capture NX-D
Second one is SOOC. (includes the built-in lens profile and in-camera settings)
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The 50 f1.8S is an outstanding prime, and the consensus is strengthening on this. Reviews by Thom Hogan, Photography Life etc. In fact all the Z Nikkors are sound investments, including the latest DX releases
Recent accolade to the 50 f1.8S Nikkor by Hugh Brownstone, who compares this prime to Leica and Zeiss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coi19ptZF7Q
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Window 'dressing'
Z6 50mm/1.8S At f/1.8
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I downloaded some full resolution jpegs off Flickr where this lens is coupled with a Z6/Z7. I just cannot believe how clear, clean, and sharp the images are. Colours were also great, I prefer eye-comfort over accuracy.
Though I'm not sure about the kind of processing that went into those jpeg files, it seems like a superb lens to have, and that Z6 24MP is doing a terrific job.
I can't really tell the difference between the Z6 and Z7 shots. Does anyone own both cameras? May I have a couple photos of the exact same scene, RAW files, sent to me? I'd like to analyse them myself. Many thanks!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/hide-verdad/49393563192/in/pool-z50f18s/
Aerial shot, corners are bit soft but I think it's due to the different focal plane, and it's soft relative to the centre, it's not at all soft in the general sense, at least to me!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barry_mills/47245124292/in/faves-133023063@N04/
I can count the hairs of this cute fluffy thing.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beckerhenner/48798138256/in/faves-133023063@N04/
I can see the small hair in her nose, her "beard", and bumps in the skin. Amazing eye texture too. On the OOF eyeball, there's this concentric smudge which is odd. I think the photographer is using some kind of ring strobe?
Pretty sold on this combo. The Z7 is so expensive, however a used 50S is about 600 AUD and a used Z6 is cheap-ish as well.
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This lens is really good -- it takes sharp and blurry pictures ;D
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10000 blur circles (wide open).
The second image is a 100% crop from another similar image.
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10000 blur circles (wide open).
The second image is a 100% crop from another similar image.
I counted 10001 though :P
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Amazing images Wow! Clear and wonderfull tonation, just Lovely rendering overall
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i would have bought this lens...if only i can should with it using film :o :o :o
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Now look here chaps, this discussion of the merits of the Z 50/1.8S f/1.8 is not helping to curb my GAS problem!
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You should really know at this moment in time that resistance *is* futile.
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10000 blur circles (wide open).
The second image is a 100% crop from another similar image.
Beautiful shot.
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Simone, beautiful shots!
Resistance is futile ;D
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Don’t tell me that, I don’t have a lot of resistance to your blandishments and each day I’m weakening a little more!
Damn it it’s not that expensive either relatively speaking!
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With the Z7 [also posted in February 2020 on the 29th]
(https://nikongear.net/revival/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9231.0;attach=43386;image)
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Thanks for the compliments! I apologize for any unwanted fits of GAS. ;D
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That’s OK Simone, I don’t need any urging, I’ve been resisting this lens since Xmas!
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That’s OK Simone, I don’t need any urging, I’ve been resisting this lens since Xmas!
Thankfully WEX is out of stock at the moment!
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That’s OK Simone, I don’t need any urging, I’ve been resisting this lens since Xmas!
That's quite an accomplishment. I see that you have got the 35 and 85 which should be fine lenses as well.
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That’s OK Simone, I don’t need any urging, I’ve been resisting this lens since Xmas!
Mike
Just to add to your GAS.
I borrowed a friend's Leica APO-Summicron M 50mm ASPH (B+H US$8795), a formidable lens and briefly tested against the 50mm f1.8S. I was surprised that there is little to tell them apart - and the Nikon is just as Apochromatic and as sharp. And in Australia, they are giving away the 50mm as a free bonus if you purchase a Z7 in March! To have this level of sharpness, resolution, apochromatic, high micro and macro contrast, strong flare resistance (a problem with the Leica) flat field, lowish distortion as well as fairly rapid autofocus and low vignetting....
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Mike,
Rose says everyone with a Z should have a 50mm f/1.8 S ;D
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49574093236_f542df9f2c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iwGbMs)
Click through to view at 100%
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Bill, with those looks I’d buy anything. :)
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And with those looks I did, as WEX have it in stock again also sporting a £60 discount. Knickers there’s one wheeling soon to my front door! Again the dreaded GAS strikes again!
I blame Rose’s eyes she’s the absolute epitome of the Devil in disguise(not) she’s gorgeous of course! :-*
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Very impressive lens a must have for the Z system 8)
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And with those looks I did, as WEX have it in stock again also sporting a £60 discount. Knickers there’s one wheeling soon to my front door! Again the dreaded GAS strikes again!
I blame Rose’s eyes she’s the absolute epitome of the Devil in disguise(not) she’s gorgeous of course! :-*
Congrats, Mike. Hope you enjoy it !
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Storm-damage.
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Storm-damage.
A freak accident, and good job of reporting it from you, with the images you posted. Scary stuff.
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And with those looks I did, as WEX have it in stock again also sporting a £60 discount. Knickers there’s one wheeling soon to my front door! Again the dreaded GAS strikes again!
I blame Rose’s eyes she’s the absolute epitome of the Devil in disguise(not) she’s gorgeous of course! :-*
She seems to be fully aware of her charms and is most happy to take the credit! :)
And her sister Lily is equally effective....
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Storm-damage.
That is a scary collapse of the brick facade!
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A freak accident, and good job of reporting it from you, with the images you posted. Scary stuff.
Thanks Carl.
It's a miracle nobody got hurt. Normally the street is very busy, especially on working days, but the accident happened on Saturday.
That is a scary collapse of the brick facade!
Indeed.
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And with those looks I did, as WEX have it in stock again also sporting a £60 discount. Knickers there’s one wheeling soon to my front door! Again the dreaded GAS strikes again!
I blame Rose’s eyes she’s the absolute epitome of the Devil in disguise(not) she’s gorgeous of course! :-*
2020 will be an expensive year for you; the Z70-200/2.8S will arrive soon, and Z14-24/2.8S and Z 50/1.2S are planned for this year too ;D 8)
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And the very convenient 24-200mm f4-6.3 lens, designed especially for river cruise tourists like Mike. The Lorelei siren is calling you Mike ...
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Been raining heavily and I've been busy, finally had the opportunity to play with the 50S but it's like 1am already. Hope I get time to go out afterwork tomo... I mean today.
I like this lens. Very sharp even wide open and the confusion balls look pleasing. Bad photo, plan to visit Sydney Tower for some nice aerials.
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And the very convenient 24-200mm f4-6.3 lens, designed especially for river cruise tourists like Mike. The Lorelei siren is calling you Mike ...
Luc, it’s on my “for consideration” list! But I’m not impressed by the Aperture range, It should have been f4 throughout the range. f6.3 is in my eyes just not good enough and will limit its usefulness at the long end. A few years ago I owned F mount 24-120 which was all f4, shame!
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(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49623558492_c66d0d4dd2_h.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49622770038_6fc3bdaad0_h.jpg)
(Both focus stacked, F5.6, flash was used)
Loving the Z6 50S combo. If the D8x0 line equivalent, the Z8 or something to match up with Sony's a7r4 exists, this lens will be a killer. You can see huge moire patterns on the wafer shot, the 24MP sensor is being out-resolved.
I'm going to patiently wait for the 50/1.2S... probably later this year/earlier next year. According to the roadmap, it would be this year, but the "C word" exists.
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Wow, nice shots! Is the grid under the wafer 1cm x 1cm? I'm wondering about the scale.
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Loving the Z6 50S combo. If the D8x0 line equivalent, the Z8 or something to match up with Sony's a7r4 exists, this lens will be a killer. You can see huge moire patterns on the wafer shot, the 24MP sensor is being out-resolved.
I'm going to patiently wait for the 50/1.2S... probably later this year/earlier next year. According to the roadmap, it would be this year, but the "C word" exists.
This is the first time I've seen color coded ball drivers, what a good idea, and I like that shot too.
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View from Telstra Building, 400 George Street, Sydney.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49627328952_c11158e29d_h.jpg)
Some withering flowers.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49626355503_b7a65effe4_h.jpg)
Omelette! Too bad the lighting makes it look not as appetising.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49627146252_4179bf7aec_h.jpg)
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Wow, nice shots! Is the grid under the wafer 1cm x 1cm? I'm wondering about the scale.
Yeah the grid is 10x10mm.
The die size of the wafer is 20x20mm.
Larger patches are 2x2mm
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And the very convenient 24-200mm f4-6.3 lens, designed especially for river cruise tourists like Mike. The Lorelei siren is calling you Mike ...
Luc, I had a good look at some video reports and the specs, and at the moment I think I would rather put the money toward a Nikkor 300mm f4 PF! I used to own one once and now of course I regret selling it! When I sell some of the old mu4/3s gear, I’m sure an attack of GAS will strike. ::)
The call of the riverside statue of the Lorelei seems to disappear into the backdrop, sadly!
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2020 will be an expensive year for you; the Z70-200/2.8S will arrive soon, and Z14-24/2.8S and Z 50/1.2S are planned for this year too ;D 8)
Eddie, the Z 70-200mm will not appear in Mike Gs arsenal, too expensive, too heavy, see above post re the 300mm f4 PF!
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New beginnings - 60 years apart. My first Z lens 8)
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Congratulations! Enjoy it! and share some images 8) ;D
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I have only used the 50mm 1.8 Z on Z7 briefly but I'm very impressed!
The Spider web on the fence
Even though there are only a few centimeters the lens is able to throw the back ground into a very calm soft Bokeh
The slow shutter speed and image stabilization alow for movement some of the web strands. Outstanding!
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Metro Lines - Check ind
The way the lens and sensor is able to make the text readable even the tiny text in the display is recognizable at 100% - So pleasing rendering of the back wall, flat distinct joints between the plates. The steel floor as well, Truly a sharp lens, similar sharpness as 55mm Micro Nikkor f/2.8 (3.5) just keeping that crispness also at distance.
The colored light reflections are so saturated, wow some amazing coatings in this glass
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Metro line - Follow the Arrows
Heavily PP'ed - There is just so much detail and texture that the possibility of story telling by editing is unlimited,,,
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Erik "How dare you", now my GAS is blossoming again ;D (Or should it be ZAS?)
Nice pictures by the way. ;)
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Still "GAS", Bent :)
The 50/1.8Z is a remarkably good lens, and at its fairly low price a true steal.
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Very sharp and decent amount of microcontrast, probably the only lens you need on your Z ;)
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Probably the only lens you need on your Z ;)
Yes :)
Notre Dame church in Saint-Lô, France
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Another example of the outstanding lens capabilities wide open (1/160s at ISO 28'800 on the Z6)
Silicon Valley glowing at night while approaching SFO, approx 2500ft altitude before turning on finals
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What a fitting testimony to the image quality of the 50 f1.8S! (also the silent-shooting capabilities of a Z7) deployed by Sergey Gorshkov to depict this endangered Siberian Tiger scent marking a Mandurian pine. This is the overall winning photograph announced last night in WPTY 2020
https://www.nhm.ac.uk/wpy/gallery/2020-the-embrace?tags=ed.current
"Nikon Z7 50mm f1.8 lens 1/200 sec at f6.3 • ISO 250 • Cognisys camera-trap system"
EDIT: story behind the image - in Russian https://www.instagram.com/tv/CGWvMLjK0Im/?igshid=s0mlgb2d5zfw
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Wow!
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Nikkor Z 50mm 1.8 S Nikon Z7 at f/8 and f/1.8 Very happy with the rendering even after pp
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Indeed. Such small shiny objects are notoriously difficult to render cleanly.
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Well lit and shot images Erik.
This image was shot with a Z6 and the Z 50mm, in Jpeg with picture control/film simulation Kodak Ektachrome P (downloaded from https://nikonpc.com (https://nikonpc.com))
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50520758637_179c0e3e19_h.jpg)
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Erik, the bokeh is indeed impressive. As is the colored light reflection saturation, though I wonder how much of that is the Z7? The Z6 had noticeably higher color saturation than my D750. Real winner of a lens!
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My GAS made me buying the 50mm at the new lower price, not low price ;)
My first test was done at f1.8.
At longer than closest distance focus seems ok, but at the closest distance I get the focus a few millimeters farther away from the camera.
Have any of you experienced this?
The picture is also in the November thread-
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VR ON and a slow shutter speed with a hand-held camera can introduce such minor errors.
Otherwise, congratulations with a fine-performing new Z Nikkor !
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No errors here other than handheld, wind, etc... You will not be disappointed. Enjoy!
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It was actually on a tripod, but the VR was engaged, so I will try again without VR.
Otherwise it is promising.
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Congratulations!
AF on the Z is very different to AF that we are used too with DSLR - It's an entirely other system with it's own build in artificial intelligence and lack there off.
Couple that with a lens with very thin depth of focus and you will be challenged.
I have seen that the Z7 is failing in guessing where I would like to have the image sharp within the focus square so not surprised.
Marketing has been steadily informing us that mirrorless is the best focus system so,,, :o ;D
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Congratulations!
AF on the Z is very different to AF that we are used too with DSLR - It's an entirely other system with it's own build in artificial intelligence and lack there off.
Couple that with a lens with very thin depth of focus and you will be challenged.
I have seen that the Z7 is failing in guessing where I would like to have the image sharp within the focus square so not surprised.
Marketing has been steadily informing us that mirrorless is the best focus system so,,, :o ;D
is this only exlusive to Z lenses :o :o :o
how about F lenses?
can you please explain more about what you experienced? I was contemplating on buying a Z lens ::)
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Well I'm no expert on these AF systems and a lot of people with great knowledge about these technologies and have written many interesting things so,,,
My take is that, there should be very little difference if you use a F-Mount lens with the FTZ adapter or an native Z-mount lens on a Z camera, the difference will be in the in camera algorithms that control the SWM of the F-mount lens compared to the linear motor or motors of the Z lens.
The Z cameras use on-sensor phase-detect pixels that don't know if the light comes through one or the other mount type except what it is told by the camera firmware.
The better optically the light is corrected fo CA etc. the better on-sensor phase-detect pixels works.
There is this that the FTZ stops down the lens that interfere.
So my take; A native Nikkor Z lens will perform the best compared to a F-mount or third party lens all else equal.
The Nikkor Z 50mm f/1.8 S is outstanding in all aspects except the occasional AF target fail now and then. That I have never seen similar on any AF DSLR or SLR since the F4
That said, so far I have been extremely happy using the Nikkor F 28mm AF-S f/1.4 E on the Z7
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I did turn of VR and tried again. The result is the same. It may only be when taking close up images, as taking a picture of my brick wall did not show any problems. I did also take a picture of the wall but focused on a thing standing in front of the wall, and the thing was in focus and the wall ever so slightly out of focus.
The Z system does some focus just before taking the picture at f5.6 or something even if you want to use f1.8, maybe that is part of the problem when doing close ups?
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My GAS made me buying the 50mm at the new lower price, not low price ;)
My first test was done at f1.8.
At longer than closest distance focus seems ok, but at the closest distance I get the focus a few millimeters farther away from the camera.
Have any of you experienced this?
The picture is also in the November thread-
I did not look closer at your image, but it looks like the camera chose to focus on the sharp edges of the green leaf instead of the soft rosy bud. My guess.
If so this corresponds to what I think is going on; Z camera like sharp contours for focus, so it chooses by itself to slightly go out of the AF square to find something it knows it will nail focus on instead of being unsure and maybe miss AF on something soft,,,
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more reasons to keep the F for me :o :o :o
i only use manual lenses on my Z ::)
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I found this on https://www.cameralabs.com/nikon-z-50mm-f1-8s-review/2/.
“The test also revealed that there is no focus shift to speak of at distances of 2m and farther away although the background sharpens up faster than the foreground when the lens is stopped down. At magnifications larger than 1:10 the lens shows clear focus shift between f1.8 and f5.6 but that is avoided by the camera focusing while stopped down to shooting aperture.”
It does only partly correspond to my findings. I see a very sharp image in the view finder, but the result has focus shift at f1.8 and close up.
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I found this on https://www.cameralabs.com/nikon-z-50mm-f1-8s-review/2/.
“The test also revealed that there is no focus shift to speak of at distances of 2m and farther away although the background sharpens up faster than the foreground when the lens is stopped down. At magnifications larger than 1:10 the lens shows clear focus shift between f1.8 and f5.6 but that is avoided by the camera focusing while stopped down to shooting aperture.”
It does only partly correspond to my findings. I see a very sharp image in the view finder, but the result has focus shift at f1.8 and close up.
yikes :o :o :o
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These two issues must be unrelated since the Z camera focus at the set aperture with a Z lens.
Are you in AF -C or S? Back focus button or shutter button?
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On the DSLR's the AF speed is by design turned down for the f/1.4 lenses, Nikon claim that it is to secure the best possible focus is archived given the slim depth of focus,,,
On Z's the lenses are f/1.8,,, the f/0.95 is manual focus,,, As mentioned the z 50mm f/1.8 is quite fast in achieving focus,,, maybe too fast,,,
I have no shooting experience with the latest Z 50mm f/1.2 re AF speed and precision could be very interesting to know!
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Did a test on a focus test target.
The focus is spot on, so Eriks explanation about the intelligence of the Z cameras are right ;)
On this flat surface the problem is eliminated.
The image is taken at minimum focus distance.
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On the DSLR's the AF speed is by design turned down for the f/1.4 lenses, Nikon claim that it is to secure the best possible focus is archived given the slim depth of focus,,,
On Z's the lenses are f/1.8,,, the f/0.95 is manual focus,,, As mentioned the z 50mm f/1.8 is quite fast in achieving focus,,, maybe too fast,,,
I have no shooting experience with the latest Z 50mm f/1.2 re AF speed and precision could be very interesting to know!
the 50/1.2 is fast, much faster than the old canon one :o :o :o
accuracy is another thing
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Did a test on a focus test target.
The focus is spot on, so Eriks explanation about the intelligence of the Z cameras are right ;)
On this flat surface the problem is eliminated.
The image is taken at minimum focus distance.
Thank you for confirming your camera and lens are able to focus correctly without any issues re focus shift. very good!
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I suspect the focusing speed has more to do with evaluating the image data much as we would do with our brains in MF mode. Hence the need for an additional CPU in the series II Zs. Speed as well as accuracy is probably enhanced if the "AI" in the CPU programing is set to seek out defined targets like faces and eyes.
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Yes the Z7II and Z6II should have more accurate focus in 'pressed situations' like when doing face/eye tracking.
Also, it's maybe good to turn off eye/face recognition when doing flowers ;)
The Z7 is already fine for the type of video work I do with the Z 50mm f/1.8 S - It's much better, faster more reliable than any F-mount AFS lens I have, for instance the AFS f/2.8 trinity lenses and at the same time adjusting focus completely silent.
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Great for portraits
Z7
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i almost bought this lens on a whim...
until i realized that Z cameras add lens profile to your photos!!! :o :o :o
this ia pointless since i dont want any lightroom correction and i couldnt turn it off! ::)
Damn you panasonic... (or was it olympus who forced them to do that)
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In Photoshop, ACR you select to use the profile or not,,, no big deal!
I love the vignetting it has wide open!
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In Photoshop, ACR you select to use the profile or not,,, no big deal!
I love the vignetting it has wide open!
how about lightroom :o :o :o
i only use photoshop for adding mosaic to my hands ::)
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how about lightroom :o :o :o
i only use photoshop for adding mosaic to my hands ::)
Switch-off all the related settings in camera, and you should be fine in Lightroom...
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Switch-off all the related settings in camera, and you should be fine in Lightroom...
Pretty certain that there's no option in either of the Adobe programs to opt out of using the in-built lens corrections with the Z series - the only option is to use other raw converters
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Pretty certain that there's no option in either of the Adobe programs to opt out of using the in-built lens corrections with the Z series - the only option is to use other raw converters
No, but switching off the relevant parameters IN CAMERA (and changing the embedded lens profile) does mean that Lightroom does not apply the corrections.
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Pretty certain that there's no option in either of the Adobe programs to opt out of using the in-built lens corrections with the Z series - the only option is to use other raw converters
Or use an older version of the program without the lenses profiles yet?
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No, but switching off the relevant parameters IN CAMERA (and changing the embedded lens profile) does mean that Lightroom does not apply the corrections.
i couldnt find it :o :o :o which icon is that under?
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I can see that - what a gorgeous cat! Hard to get them to sit still for long.
Great for portraits
Z7
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I can see that - what a gorgeous cat! Hard to get them to sit still for long.
Thanks Hugh. It's not easy, but you need to find her moments of 'relaxation' ;)
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Pretty certain that there's no option in either of the Adobe programs to opt out of using the in-built lens corrections with the Z series - the only option is to use other raw converters
Some lens corrections done in-camera by the firmware can't be changed on Photoshop.
Photoshop 'Lens corrections' can be turned off as you choose;
https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/using/correct-lens-distortions-camera-raw.html
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Now there is a lot of talk about the 50 f1.2S, but I am pleased with my 1.8.
The Girls with the earring. ;)
The eyefocus works fine through the tintet glas :)
Z6 50 f1.8S @f1.8
PS Just a snapshot of my grand daughter ::)
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Just show a night photo @f1.8 ;)
Copenhagen Light Festival
The building is the old stock exchange, build by Christian IV
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Great picture at #136 ! You can even see the stars, while having the laser show (or whatever) :) Great and fine detail !
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Great picture at #136 ! You can even see the stars, while having the laser show (or whatever) :) Great and fine detail !
Tank you. It is normal light.
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It's not necessary to shoot JPG to get a near instant JPG. One is embedded in every NEF file. On the PC there is a program called Instant Jpeg from RAW. You can select a few or all of the images in a folder, right click and Instant Jpeg from RAW will extract the JPG(s) in seconds. I don't use it much but sometimes I find it useful.
Here is a link for both Windows and MAC versions...
http://michaeltapesdesign.com/instant-jpeg-from-raw.html
You select your OS and received a link by email. There are versions for Windows 7, 8 and 10 and macOS 10.10, 10.11 and 10.12. I don't know if Instant Jpeg from RAW run on macOS 10.13. I haven't tried it on any macOS.
Dave
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I turn off almost all in camera auto correction features of my D850 but then I can add them back since I use Nikon Capture NX-D to develop NEF(s). I like Capture NX-D for its control and excellent color. It also afford me an opportunity for an occasional nap during the day. :D
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But Dave, making a JPG from a Raw is nothing special. All Raw Readers (Image Viewers) like Faststone do it in 2 clicks.... https://www.faststone.org/ (https://www.faststone.org/) Or do I miss the point?
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Just show a night photo @f1.8 ;)
Copenhagen Light Festival
The building is the old stock exchange, build by Christian IV
Lovely Portrait, Bent. And this one is great too.
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Very nice Bent!
I think I see Orion stars too
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But Dave, making a JPG from a Raw is nothing special. All Raw Readers (Image Viewers) like Faststone do it in 2 clicks.... https://www.faststone.org/ (https://www.faststone.org/) Or do I miss the point?
This discussion is longer than I thought so my comment is far from the post that inspired it. I apologize.
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I think it's important to shoot NEF so if post processing is needed it's available. I don't shoot NEF + JPG fine as I don't want to save straight out of camera JPG(s). Not saving a paired Jpeg for each NEF I keep saves space on hard drives.
Faststone sounds familiar but I don't know if I've ever used it.
Dave
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Two very fine images Bent!
And beautiful girl also
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Hurry home before the Curfew...
On the Z6