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Gear Talk => Lens Talk => Topic started by: Bill De Jager on February 22, 2019, 22:20:29
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If you have a few coins to spare you could bid on this (https://www.ebay.com/itm/303071071507?ul_noapp=true). Starting bid is US $4,999.95. Design range is 2.5x to 1x with the optimum at 1.5:1, resolving at 160 line pairs per mm. Scroll down listing for spec sheet (attn. Roland). Supposedly once used by Donald E. Trumbull who worked on special effects for some well-known movies. The original list price in the 1970s was US $1150.
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That lens was for sale on eBay for several weeks with a $900 price tag. I put in an offer for $700 but the seller didn't want to go that low. Eventually someone bought it, and started it at 10x the price (now only 5x) !. It's certainly rare, but its damage was a big turnoff for me so I didn't want to pay much for it. Would be interesting to see how the 100mm performs, but I was not willing to fork over $900 for it, let alone $5k. If only it had a bigger aperture...
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Wow... didn't know that story. They're presenting it as being in pretty good shape.
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I wonder how it compares to the 85mm Repro-Nikkor which I have? Any thoughts?
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These are specialised tools, optimised differently. The Repro 85mm f/1 is designed for 1:1.
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I wonder how it compares to the 85mm Repro-Nikkor which I have? Any thoughts?
These are specialised tools, optimised differently. The Repro 85mm f/1 is designed for 1:1.
Yes, specialized tools for narrow mag ranges and applications. I've read that the 85RN was designed as a relay lens, and I've seen some test results where it was used that way to improve the working distance of a higher magnification system. The 100RN seems have been designed for animation, which is sort of a blend between taking and printing. It may be an early version of the 105PN.
Wow... didn't know that story. They're presenting it as being in pretty good shape.
It looks like they've attempted to repair the damage, but there is still evidence in the trim ring threads. Trim ring damage doesn't guarantee optical problems, but knowing how this looked before the repair was done still gives me pause.
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Just for fun, here are a couple of shots with a 85mm f1.0 Repro-Nikkor. Amazing sharpness wide open. I wish the flange distance was a bit longer--this is on a Sony A7RII flush with the focusing mount
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nice, razor-blade-DOF!!
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Interesting indeed. Do you know how many mm thick your focussing adapter is in this setup? Perhaps there is a way to shave a few mm off of it to allow further focus.
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The threads are not a problem. I bought the lens and it works well. Easy to fit the D850 or Z7.
Here are a couple of images with that lens.
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Interesting indeed. Do you know how many mm thick your focussing adapter is in this setup? Perhaps there is a way to shave a few mm off of it to allow further focus.
My adapter ring is a couple of mm thick, because I have a 48mm to 52mm adapter ring with a 52mm to Sony E reversing ring, It is worth noting that the Nikon Z7 as a shorter flange distance than the Sony by 1mm or so. I'm not willing to start cutting the lens barrel down to get closer. What I could do and may do is to take a M42 to Sony E adapter ring, which is less than 1mm thick and glue it (firmly!) to one of the external threaded rings that came with the Repro Nikkor, in order to reduce the distance by the amount of the 48-52mm adapter.
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Beautiful results Michael!
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My adapter ring is a couple of mm thick, because I have a 48mm to 52mm adapter ring with a 52mm to Sony E reversing ring, It is worth noting that the Nikon Z7 as a shorter flange distance than the Sony by 1mm or so. I'm not willing to start cutting the lens barrel down to get closer. What I could do and may do is to take a M42 to Sony E adapter ring, which is less than 1mm thick and glue it (firmly!) to one of the external threaded rings that came with the Repro Nikkor, in order to reduce the distance by the amount of the 48-52mm adapter.
Do I understand you correctly that you mounted the lens directly onto the rear female 48mm thread, with the 48mm-52mm step up ring and then the 52mm Sony E reverse ring? That doesn't allow any focussing. The thickness of that adapter set is hard to reduce, as it is already quite minimal. One way I like to setup similar lenses is by mounting them into a larger helicoid, say a 58mm helicoid coupled with a 58mm Sony E reverse ring. The technical drawing of the Repro 85 shows a 55mm rear diameter, so it may be possible to use a 58mm helicoid. This way you get a minimal minimum extension and a useful variable longer extension. One potential problem is that this wide helicoid leaves very little room for your fingers to get to the E-mount release button on your Sony. Especially when tripod mounted.
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I mount the camera/lens on a focus rail. Less jarring the camera for focus stacking.
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Very nice images Michael. These are short stacks taken with the 100/2.8, right? The threads discussion concerned the Repro Nikkor 85/1.0.
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Very nice images Michael. These are short stacks taken with the 100/2.8, right? The threads discussion concerned the Repro Nikkor 85/1.0.
This thread is on the Repro Nikkor 100mm.
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This thread is on the Repro Nikkor 100mm.
Indeed, this thread is on the Repro Nikkor 100. The tangential discussion about the literal threads on Toby's adapter was about the Repro Nikkor 85. Your earlier comment
The threads are not a problem. I bought the lens and it works well. Easy to fit the D850 or Z7. Here are a couple of images with that lens.
indicated that you were probably referring to the 100mm when Toby, Klaus and I were talking about the 85mm.
Anyway, it is obvious that both lenses are capable of capturing stunning images and that the 100 is easier to mount than the 85.
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Do you get a special quality using this lens that is not possible with one of the Micro Nikkor 105/2.8 lenses? …..think there are at least 3 different versions (AIS, AFD, AFS).
If you have one of them it could be interesting to see how they differs? bokeh quality, sharpness etc...
Maybe it is not possible to focus that close with one of the Micro's…..or maybe quality declines a lot if you use extender or bellows…..
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Do you get a special quality using this lens that is not possible with one of the Micro Nikkor 105/2.8 lenses? …..think there are at least 3 different versions (AIS, AFD, AFS).
If you have one of them it could be interesting to see how they differs? bokeh quality, sharpness etc...
Maybe it is not possible to focus that close with one of the Micro's…..or maybe quality declines a lot if you use extender or bellows…..
I would say that it is better corrected, more able to be used for reproduction of film, etc. than the 105s.
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Yes, at the expense of being not able to cover a larger focusing range, and presumably, more picky about the actual light quality than any usual Micro-Nikkor. There is no free lunch.
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I've used 105/2.8 Micro, a pristine sample with the last SIC coating. It was a bit prone to flare and the contrast was low. I was not very impressed.
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Another such Repro Nikkor 2.8/100mm sold in Germany, 2nd one I ever saw.
My friend Akiyama-San ("Redbook") told me that those are very rare and sent
me some data sheets...
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There is NOS COM-Nikkor 37/1.4 at the moment for sale (from Sweden). About 13k Euro but he is open for an offer.
The English writing indicates that the text is copied from "Redbook". This lens is also optimized for close focus as it was used to take ray traces from oscilloscopes.
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There is also a Repro-Nikkor 85/1 for sale at 2.5k Euro from Prag (CZ) and he is also open for an offer. This one has a bit more realistic prize compared to the COM-Nikkor.
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These are both there since a very long time .. yaaawwwnnnn