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Images => People, Portraits, Street, PJ & Cityscapes => Topic started by: atpaula on February 04, 2019, 01:25:44

Title: The Z6 gives me more freedom....
Post by: atpaula on February 04, 2019, 01:25:44
I'm carrying it with me more often....
But I still don't like the missing green dot.
With the AF lenses the red square focus indicator becomes green. That's super. Why not with the manual focus lenses?
As someone told me, I've assigned my Fn1 button to zoom the viewfinder. It's not enough for me.
I used a Zeiss 18mm f/3.5 Distagon in this pic .

(http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af237/atpaula/atpaula034/aZ6N_0372_zpseeizs4p3.jpg) (http://s1011.photobucket.com/user/atpaula/media/atpaula034/aZ6N_0372_zpseeizs4p3.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The Z6 gives me more freedom....
Post by: gryphon1911 on February 04, 2019, 02:20:05
Nikon may very well make the focus square change color as well if enough people ask for it.

I'd recommend you send them a request and then see about getting others to follow suit.
Title: Re: The Z6 gives me more freedom....
Post by: JohnBrew on February 04, 2019, 02:25:36
Agreed, the so-called “green dot” should be visible regardless of which lens is used.
BTW, nice image!
Title: Re: The Z6 gives me more freedom....
Post by: Ann on February 04, 2019, 04:06:38
What fun to setup "flying" umbrellas!

Was this for some special festival or celebration?
Title: Re: The Z6 gives me more freedom....
Post by: Akira on February 04, 2019, 07:26:32
Aguinaldo, regardless of some inconvenience, your images always carry some joy to them.
Title: Re: The Z6 gives me more freedom....
Post by: Řivind Třien on February 04, 2019, 07:54:13
Very nice colors, Aguinaldo.
I was able to handle a Z6 in a local store last week (their selection of high end bodies seems to have improved radically lately) and while the dot was white and not green, as I recall, the dot was present when I had my chipped 105mm f/2.5 AIS mounted. Perhaps the custom chip makes a difference or I am just confusing it with the time the native 50mm f/1.8 was mounted?
Title: Re: The Z6 gives me more freedom....
Post by: atpaula on February 04, 2019, 12:14:06
 At first I got no focus confirmation at all and had to turn on the peaking highlights to have something.

The beloved green dot does not appear even with AF lenses, but the red square focus point becomes green when focus is achieved, which is great.

Maybe my camera is deffective or I did not find the right page to read in the manual.
Title: Re: The Z6 gives me more freedom....
Post by: Řivind Třien on February 04, 2019, 12:31:08
Very strange - I checked the Z6/Z7 manual and there is no indication of a "green dot". As I recall it was somewhat to the left of the middle on the bottom row. But I was also handling a D500 and a D7500 at the same visit, so may be it is me that got confused. The D500 manual has the "green dot" all the way to the left.
Title: Re: The Z6 gives me more freedom....
Post by: atpaula on February 04, 2019, 12:48:33
Very strange - I checked the Z6/Z7 manual and there is no indication of a "green dot". As I recall it was somewhat to the left of the middle on the bottom row. But I was also handling a D500 and a D7500 at the same visit, so may be it is me that got confused. The D500 manual has the "green dot" all the way to the left.

See page 59 of the reference manual, regarding manual focus.
Title: Re: The Z6 gives me more freedom....
Post by: Řivind Třien on February 04, 2019, 12:58:38
See page 59 of the reference manual, regarding manual focus.
That appears to refer to the screen  on the back, not the viewfinder.
Title: Re: The Z6 gives me more freedom....
Post by: atpaula on February 04, 2019, 13:39:42
That appears to refer to the screen  on the back, not the viewfinder.
You are right.
Maybe I'm misguided by my habit of never looking at this display, except for looking at a picture imediately after it´s taken.
Title: Re: The Z6 gives me more freedom....
Post by: atpaula on February 04, 2019, 22:29:57
That appears to refer to the screen  on the back, not the viewfinder.

When I came home I attached an AF-S 24mm f/1.4 and confirmed that it also appears in the viewfinder, on the bottom far left.
And by the way, the dot is white, not green now.
So pissed that it does not appear for my manual lenses.
Title: Re: The Z6 gives me more freedom....
Post by: Řivind Třien on February 04, 2019, 23:44:15

So I might not have confused it after all. Perhaps Birna would confirm the white dot presence with a chipped manual focus lens?
Title: Re: The Z6 gives me more freedom....
Post by: golunvolo on February 05, 2019, 02:13:45
Confirmation (white) dot and square turning green with both afs and screwdriver type, even if it can not autofocus the later.
Non of the above but magnification and peaking with manual lenses, including those updated with cpu, sorry.
Title: Re: The Z6 gives me more freedom....
Post by: Řivind Třien on February 05, 2019, 04:08:44
Confirmation (white) dot and square turning green with both afs and screwdriver type, even if it can not autofocus the later.
Non of the above but magnification and peaking with manual lenses, including those updated with cpu, sorry.

Is that Birna's custom CPUs or a Dandelian variant? (The custom CPUs have information about exit pupil position which could affect AF and metering calculations.)
Title: Re: The Z6 gives me more freedom....
Post by: golunvolo on February 05, 2019, 05:28:59
That will be with Birna's custom CPU.
Title: Re: The Z6 gives me more freedom....
Post by: Řivind Třien on February 05, 2019, 09:27:08
OK, so I likely had either the native 50mm or the two other F mount lenses that I kept swapping, AFS 12-24mm and the AFS 300mm f/4 PF. The latter handled very well by the way. The 12-24mm felt a little long physically compared to on F mount bodies, confirmed in that the configuration would not fit into the same bag space. What caught my attention was that the dot was white, not green.   :)

On second thought, may be the appearance of the white dot depends on the lens being in some kind of internal database of the firmware? So custom chipped lenses not in the database would not be listed. If that hypothesis is correct, Nikon's AIP lenses like the 500mm f/4  P might have the white dot.
Title: Re: The Z6 gives me more freedom....
Post by: atpaula on February 05, 2019, 14:38:58
What fun to setup "flying" umbrellas!

Was this for some special festival or celebration?
Just the decoration of this small street.
Title: Re: The Z6 gives me more freedom....
Post by: Hugh_3170 on February 06, 2019, 02:21:23
Maybe someone could try a Z6/7 and FTZ with a Nikon 45mm f/2.8P lens, as these are much more commonplace than the 500mm f/4.0P?

That said, I recall from somewhere that the programming of the Rřrslett custom CPUs was similar to those in the 45mm f/2.8P, so maybe the lenses with Nikon's own CPUs will behave like the lenses with the custom CPUs?

Hopefully Nikon will address this issue with a future firmware update, as there are CV and Zeiss manual focus lenses out there that are likewise chipped with their own metering CPUs.

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On second thought, may be the appearance of the white dot depends on the lens being in some kind of internal database of the firmware? So custom chipped lenses not in the database would not be listed. If that hypothesis is correct, Nikon's AIP lenses like the 500mm f/4  P might have the white dot.
Title: Re: The Z6 gives me more freedom....
Post by: Birna Rřrslett on February 06, 2019, 13:19:35
So I might not have confused it after all. Perhaps Birna would confirm the white dot presence with a chipped manual focus lens?

Been down with a bad bronchitis for the some days, so just now recovered sufficiently to investigate.

Turns out the lens needs not only be CPU-equipped, but one of those made by Nikon as well, in order to elicit the green rectangle when focus is achieved and to light the white dot (in its usual lower left position in the finder, but now white instead of green ?? ). Thus the Voigtländer SL.2 lenses will not give either green rectangle or the white dot whilst the 45/2.8 Nikkor AIP will. All of them are manual lenses.

Apparently there is a test on the transmitted CPU data to ascertain whether or not the lens is in the official line-up. Why Nikon would do that is beyond my imagination. Maybe one needs to fake more info before Nikon will accept.
Title: Re: The Z6 gives me more freedom....
Post by: Řivind Třien on February 06, 2019, 14:12:14

Thanks for confirming, that pretty much confirms my hypothesis above.
Title: Re: The Z6 gives me more freedom....
Post by: Hugh_3170 on February 06, 2019, 15:15:59
Sorry to hear about the  bronchitis - I am a fellow sufferer and unfortunately I have a very good idea of what you are going through.  I hope that it clears up for you soon.

Thanks for doing the tests - I am gob smacked that Nikon would be so hard edged in respect of the white/"green" dot and CPU lenses from other manufacturers.  Let us hope that they will make the firmware changes needed to make the dot work with such lenses.  It seems crazy given that other functions such as metering do work for such lenses.


Been down with a bad bronchitis for the some days, so just now recovered sufficiently to investigate.

Turns out the lens needs not only be CPU-equipped, but one of those made by Nikon as well, in order to elicit the green rectangle when focus is achieved and to light the white dot (in its usual lower left position in the finder, but now white instead of green ?? ). Thus the Voigtländer SL.2 lenses will not give either green rectangle or the white dot whilst the 45/2.8 Nikkor AIP will. All of them are manual lenses.

Apparently there is a test on the transmitted CPU data to ascertain whether or not the lens is in the official line-up. Why Nikon would do that is beyond my imagination. Maybe one needs to fake more info before Nikon will accept.
Title: Re: The Z6 gives me more freedom....
Post by: Akira on February 06, 2019, 16:08:48
Apparently there is a test on the transmitted CPU data to ascertain whether or not the lens is in the official line-up. Why Nikon would do that is beyond my imagination. Maybe one needs to fake more info before Nikon will accept.

I'm pretty sure that Nikon is trying to sell the new Z and the current AF-S/P lenses, which should be inevitable for any companies hunting for profit.
Title: Re: The Z6 gives me more freedom....
Post by: Birna Rřrslett on February 06, 2019, 16:15:53
Alienating existing customers is hazardous practice in the longer run.