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Gear Talk => Other => Topic started by: richardHaw on November 04, 2018, 05:18:21

Title: nikkors for extreme macro
Post by: richardHaw on November 04, 2018, 05:18:21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMefm1thqiY

worth watching  :o :o :o
Title: Re: nikkors for extreme macro
Post by: Erik Lund on November 04, 2018, 08:08:06
Focus stacking to an whole other level Wow
Title: Re: nikkors for extreme macro
Post by: aerobat on November 04, 2018, 09:22:56
Awesome! Many thanks for the link Richard.
Title: Re: nikkors for extreme macro
Post by: Birna Rørslett on November 04, 2018, 09:55:32
I've seen this before, but it bears repetition ....

Nice setup. The Stackshot is placed in a very cool gear setting. I noticed the use of the good old 200/4 Micro ED-IF as the infinity relay. I used similar initially for my own work but found the vignetting troublesome so now replaced it with Raynox DCR-50 instead. The eagerly awaited Z7 likely will substitute for the current D810 in my own setup.
Title: Re: nikkors for extreme macro
Post by: Akira on November 04, 2018, 11:49:17
Thank you Rick, for the link.

Yes, I remember someone shared it before, but it is still intriguing!

Nice setup. The Stackshot is placed in a very cool gear setting. I noticed the use of the good old 200/4 Micro ED-IF as the infinity relay. I used similar initially for my own work but found the vignetting troublesome so now replaced it with Raynox DCR-50 instead. The eagerly awaited Z7 likely will substitute for the current D810 in my own setup.

The photographer stitches the stacked images.  So, the vignetting would be less of a problem?

How can you replace the 200/4 Micro with the cheapo Raynox (I assume you meant DCR-150)?  Is there no problem of the degradation of image quality?
Title: Re: nikkors for extreme macro
Post by: Birna Rørslett on November 04, 2018, 11:58:06
Surprisingly little quality loss, Akira. It is combined with Mitutoyo optics which are fine performers indeed, for 5 and 10x work.

Vignetting was an issue with the 200 AF Micro. Maybe I hadn't optimal position for the front objective -- will try again just for peace of mind.
Title: Re: nikkors for extreme macro
Post by: Akira on November 04, 2018, 13:03:57
Surprisingly little quality loss, Akira. It is combined with Mitutoyo optics which are fine performers indeed, for 5 and 10x work.

Vignetting was an issue with the 200 AF Micro. Maybe I hadn't optimal position for the front objective -- will try again just for peace of mind.

That's indeed surprising.  Thank you for the confirmation.
Title: Re: nikkors for extreme macro
Post by: richardHaw on November 04, 2018, 14:27:38
i used the raynox before and its a great little gadget :o :o :o
Title: Re: nikkors for extreme macro
Post by: BW on November 04, 2018, 18:32:53
Very fascinating! His work is outstanding and I would almost say non replicable. However there are a lot of systems that could be used by a novice, such as me, to "try" to come close enough. I use the Olympus in-house stacking for fun. After watching this youtube video I found a dead fly under the window and gave it a try. This is done with one push on the release button and the outcome is a jpg-file. I could off course stacked the raw-files myself, but I was pleased with the outcome. I understand why the specimens have to be meticulously cleaned 8)
Title: Re: nikkors for extreme macro
Post by: bobfriedman on November 04, 2018, 19:50:50
How can you replace the 200/4 Micro with the cheapo Raynox (I assume you meant DCR-150)?  Is there no problem of the degradation of image quality?

i use the raynox relay lens..

(http://www.pbase.com/bobfriedman/image/160396983/original.jpg)

with the Mitutoyo Metallurgic objectives..

(http://www.pbase.com/bobfriedman/image/160043286/original.jpg)
Title: Re: nikkors for extreme macro
Post by: Akira on November 04, 2018, 21:11:36
i use the raynox relay lens..

Thank you, Bob, for chiming in!  I expected your entry.  :)
Title: Re: nikkors for extreme macro
Post by: bobfriedman on November 04, 2018, 22:58:35
Thank you, Bob, for chiming in!  I expected your entry.  :)

i have also used the 200/4D AF micro and the 200/4 AiS Micro  as well as the 200/4 Ai.... the advantage of the Raynox is that i can reduce the "bellows extension" by taking rings off and make adjustments in the magnitude if i wish..   the setup shown focus at infinity for the infinity corrected objective.

i should have added that the relay lens using the Raynox was adapted after Rik Littlefield's approach (author of ZereneStacker)
Title: Re: nikkors for extreme macro
Post by: Akira on November 04, 2018, 23:16:26
i have also used the 200/4D AF micro and the 200/4 AiS Micro  as well as the 200/4 Ai.... the advantage of the Raynox is that i can reduce the "bellows extension" by taking rings off and make adjustments in the magnitude if i wish..   the setup shown focus at infinity for the infinity corrected objective.

i should have added that the relay lens using the Raynox was adapted after Rik Littlefield's approach (author of ZereneStacker)

Thank you, again, for the details!
Title: Re: nikkors for extreme macro
Post by: Birna Rørslett on November 04, 2018, 23:28:40
I have over the years used similar setups as Bob and also consulted Rik Littlefield.  However, in the latest incarnation, I found that the required extension could be achieved by using a small yet sturdy bellows device. This allows a better weight balance of the entire rig.

The set up might have been more refined and polished, but it serves the intended purpose well and it is easily removed and something else put there instead if the need arises.
Title: Re: nikkors for extreme macro
Post by: Ann on November 05, 2018, 00:39:33
Those set-ups look so efficient and professional!

This one?

(http://nikongear.net/revival/gallery/0/1358-051118003259-6772475.jpeg)

 Not so much — although I managed to get some very interesting images out of it.
 :)
Title: Re: nikkors for extreme macro
Post by: k0dlo on November 05, 2018, 05:14:19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMefm1thqiY

worth watching  :o :o :o

Indeed.  Surprising to me.  I didn't know that was possible.

Denny
Title: Re: nikkors for extreme macro
Post by: Frank Fremerey on November 05, 2018, 14:21:54
i use the raynox relay lens with the Mitutoyo Metallurgic objectives..
(http://www.pbase.com/bobfriedman/image/160043286/original.jpg)

Bob, you were the one that showed me stuff like that before. Here on Nikongear. I was always impressed by your work.

Very good that this more esoteric way of shooting is now being popularized with the help of a museum.

Everybody should understand at one point that humans are only one size and duration of life forms and that humans are essentially dependent on other life forms that live much longer, much shorter, are much larger or much small than us. See Birna's work on aquatic life forms like duck weed for the environmental administration of Norway e.g..

I guess these pictures help!
Title: Re: nikkors for extreme macro
Post by: richardHaw on November 06, 2018, 01:42:31
i havent watched the video for weeks but i recall seeing a D850 there :o :o :o