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Images => Critique => Topic started by: Nikkor Shooter on September 28, 2018, 12:36:57
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Considering the number of views, the number of replies is disappointing!
I would appreciate some cool interactions here… for good or bad critiques.
As of September 28, 2018, 12:36:57:
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Perhaps I might turn that around and be delighted that so many people are admiring your photographs and can see nothing to criticise?
You are obviously very competent and accomplished. I could find nothing to say but superlatives, Birna expressly asks that comments in the critique section which just express admiration are not welcome.
Post some crappy stuff and I suspect you will get more response.
Just my two cents...
Edit: See Bjørn's announcement at the top of the section page, final para.
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Get used to it, photography is a selfserving affair ;) :o ;D
for instance my flickr page gets very little views, of course if you want spend
lots of time into networking some results will show.
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Considering the number of views, the number of replies is disappointing!
I would appreciate some cool interactions here… for good or bad critiques.
(http://www.kodiakmedia.at/TP18/09/Table%201.jpg)
Ahhh, you finally got it.
You really do not expect factual critiques for two reasons:
1- The sheep herd spirit. whereby the sheep follow the herder.
2- The delusional sheep
Have you ever read a post here that offers a modicum of critiques without being accused of being either judgemental or an ad hominem attacker.
You have sub standard pictures being posted which are extolled and rare but good pictures which are ignored.
Welcome to grazing land.
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Sorry Ethan but English is not my language!
You really do not expect factual critiques for two reasons:
1- The sheep herd spirit. whereby the sheep follow the herder.
2- The delusional sheep
Who is the shepherd (synonym?) ?
You have sub standard pictures being posted which are extolled and rare but good pictures which are ignored.
Do you mean…
"You have sub standard pictures…" or "There are sub standard pictures…" ?
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Sorry Ethan but English is not my language!
Who is the shepherd (synonym?) ?
Do you mean…
"You have sub standard pictures…" or "There are sub standard pictures…" ?
1- Very few here speak proper English let alone understand it.
2- I did not say Shepherd but Herder for a reason.
3- It is "There are sub standard pictures......etc"
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Post some crappy stuff and I suspect you will get more response.
Interesting idea… maybe even a strategy! :D :D :D
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> 1- Very few here speak proper English let alone understand it.
Sorry, Ethan, but that is not true. As a New Zealander I speak British English, and I have seen often that some of the best postings on this site, in terms of communication, come from people for whom English is a second language. Spelling and punctuation may not always be orthodox, but that is a separate issue.
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It does not appear to me that you are actually requesting critique. For example I looked at your post "Why I hate the 600mm F/4"
It seems you have already made up your mind about what is wrong with your photo so what is there to add?
The most simple critique for these images is use a shorter lens. After that there is nothing to say. And you already know that fact. It is the in the title of the post.
If you want critique be sincere about it. Don't just use the critique category to post photos.
My reason for not commenting or reading your posts is mainly I'm not interested in birds. Sorry for that.
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It does not appear to me that you are actually requesting critique. For example I looked at your post "Why I hate the 600mm F/4"
It seems you have already made up your mind about what is wrong with your photo so what is there to add?The most simple critique for these images is use a shorter lens. After that there is nothing to say. And you already know that fact. It is the in the title of the post.
Don't just use the critique category to post photos.[/quote]
Right, Jack, that one should have gone elsewhere, Thanks! :P
My reason for not commenting or reading your posts is mainly I'm not interested in birds. Sorry for that.
Don't be sorry, me neither… as I am not a birder but an image hunter.
I shoot birds because some bird shots were used by some publishers
and they wanted more.
Two kilometres from my studio, there is a cool marsh where I use to go
to relax having a walk and enjoying the sight of the so many resident
birds without even thinking of shooting them then. I got to shoot them
and learn about them because of the publishers request. I was not real-
ly interested in birds but I am always interested by the light falling on'm!
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Perhaps I'm a bit overwhelmed by the amount of the threads you have started most recently.
In general, I'm impressed by your (and other refular posters') bird images which are totally impossible for me having no comparable technique, equipments or patience to wait for the critical moment in the field.
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… totally impossible for me having no comparable technique, equipments or patience to wait for the critical moment in the field.
The technique comes eventually with the gear you have to justify the purchase of.
As for the patience, I don't have much of that either… so I follow several potential
situations at the same time, trying to be ready for anything at anytime.
Thanks Akira! :P
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1. Maybe your communication style is a bit too loud and demanding, and you want too much at the same time
2. You havent to justify anything you purchased
3. Yes technique evolves by practising, but its not sufficient to buy an expensive lens and expect success guarantee coming with time
just my few cents
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1. Maybe your communication style is a bit too loud and demanding, and you want too much at the same time
I do not understand this… could you please explain?
2. You havent to justify anything you purchased
Anyone in an operation must justify all purchases to
oneself, the accountant, and the partners eventually,
healthier business practice.
3. Yes technique evolves by practising, but its not sufficient to buy an expensive lens and expect success guarantee coming with time
"Practice, practice, practice" is a thought I dislike so
much… it only makes one repeat the same mistakes
over and over again. I'll much prefer the "recognise,
understand, and execute" approach to learning… with
all my students.
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You might consider posting under your real name, personally I tend to ignore anonymous members and I know many others do as well.
NG is a relatively small community where we value sharing knowledge with an open mind and prefer to communicate on a personal level as we enjoy each others company online and in real life during the many meetups, safaris, workshops, road trips, etc we had in the last decade or so.
On a personal note: one can only be a good teacher by being a good student, you claim to teach others about photography but seem very closed to critique from others.
More on topic, flooding the forum with mainly birds images we've seen many times before usually doesn't trigger a response because there's little to gain for all parties involved. Showing images we haven't seen before are usually the more interesting ones to respond to as are open questions of what to do when facing new challenges when learning about new techniques, gear, locations, etc.
So please be welcome to NG, unburden yourself of the creative limitations set by your clientele and open your mind to learn :)
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… unburden yourself of the creative limitations set by your clientele…
There are many resident birds at the marsh and of
a given number of species plus the transient — read
migratory — ones that will brighten up any day by
their presence.
There are the birders that will document each and e-
very specie and I was asked to shoot more wildlife
because of the "non-birder" approach to the pictures.
In short, it is not the birds but the light and the marsh
environment.
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I do not understand this… could you please explain?
Well you are flooding the Critique board with heaps of pictures, mostly birds (which is not bad per se) so any attention would have to fragment in spite of focusing on a few. And then you present a list that gives the impression of an accusal that your rights of getting the wanted attention are violated. I hope you understand better now, what i meant.
Anyone in an operation must justify all purchases to
oneself, the accountant, and the partners eventually,
healthier business practice.
There is not a general obligation to anyone. Its up on you to feel obliged to justifiy, i just wanted to help you to get rid of this burden. I for myself am purchasing what i like and enjoy without feeling guilty. Photography is something to enjoy. If you want to do business with photography, stop shooting birds immediately or your business will go bancrupt soon.
"Practice, practice, practice" is a thought I dislike so
much… it only makes one repeat the same mistakes
over and over again. I'll much prefer the "recognise,
understand, and execute" approach to learning… with
all my students.
I thought you want to learn, and as far as i understood the Critique board is for those who are open for learning. If you just prefer to teach thats the wrong place.
BTW i did not want to recommend brainless approaches, but when it comes to being fast with superteles there is a lot of movements (The right way of course - not training mistakes) and automatism to be trained that should work without much thoughts about it.
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Healthy critique is basically a two-way street. Demanding attention for its own sake will never work.
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There are many resident birds at the marsh and of
a given number of species plus the transient — read
migratory — ones that will brighten up any day by
their presence.
There are the birders that will document each and e-
very specie and I was asked to shoot more wildlife
because of the "non-birder" approach to the pictures.
In short, it is not the birds but the light and the marsh
environment.
To speak generally, I'm not seeing a "non-birder" approach in your images. For the most part your bird images are technically sound but I'm not finding the action, expression, light, and compositions particularly compelling.
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Demanding attention for its own sake will never work.
That is not my purpose, Birna, but some interaction is.
If I had the wrong approach or chosen section etc, I will
learn about it. :)
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That is not my purpose, Birna, but some interaction is.
If I had the wrong approach or chosen section etc, I will
learn about it. :)
Try posting to a theme or portfolio. They are often more conversational. Keeps all your stuff in one place too. So many different individual posts can seem like spam.