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Gear Talk => Processing & Publication => Topic started by: Akira on April 23, 2018, 19:32:33

Title: DxO Labs in danger of bankruptcy
Post by: Akira on April 23, 2018, 19:32:33
https://www.dpreview.com/news/8082926726/dxo-labs-begins-bankruptcy-process-in-france-says-customers-will-not-be-affected

I wonder if the Nik software technology is a joker?   :o :o :o
Title: Re: DXO Labs begins bankrupcy process
Post by: Fons Baerken on April 23, 2018, 19:47:12
I use DxO Optics Pro 11 and its latest incarnation DxO PhotoLab well its on my machine actually cant say i use it all that much.
Many of these programs have too many ready presets to accomodate users that want to spend little time on editing, imo.
Yet DxO software is well-known for its noisereduction tool and not least for incorporating Niks' .
Title: Re: DXO Labs begins bankrupcy process
Post by: MFloyd on April 23, 2018, 20:10:17
I briefly mentioned it under this topic http://nikongear.net/revival/index.php/topic,6992.msg117126.html#msg117126

They are under receivership which (briefly) means that they are under judicial control, the time they find a buyer.  I learned that there is some major criticism with regard to HR Management by the CEO. The hardware launch of DxO One should also put a heavy burden.

I wish them all the best. But don't expect me putting a dime into it.
Title: Re: DXO Labs begins bankrupcy process
Post by: Akira on April 23, 2018, 20:21:51
I use DxO Optics Pro 11 and its latest incarnation DxO PhotoLab well its on my machine actually cant say i use it all that much.
Many of these programs have too many ready presets to accomodate users that want to spend little time on editing, imo.
Yet DxO software is well-known for its noisereduction tool and not least for incorporating Niks' .

I, too, still have the license for Pro 9.  I liked its optical correction, noise reduction and B&W film simulation.  But I found that the optical correction was too through and sometimes caused jaggy in the slightly oblique lines, which resulted in the digital look of the image.  The B&W film simulation was fun, but I ended up preferring ACR.
Title: Re: DXO Labs begins bankrupcy process
Post by: Akira on April 23, 2018, 20:37:38
I briefly mentioned it under this topic http://nikongear.net/revival/index.php/topic,6992.msg117126.html#msg117126

They are under receivership which (briefly) means that they are under judicial control, the time they find a buyer.  I learned that there is some major criticism with regard to HR Management by the CEO. The hardware launch of DxO One should also put a heavy burden.

I wish them all the best. But don't expect me putting a dime into it.

Sorry for my ignorance.  I stopped following the thread, but the bankruptcy of DXO would be off-topic there anyway.

I thought DxO One was a bad dicision.  Actually I think any additional hardware attached to a smartphone via flimsy connector is a bad idea.

I briefly tried the latest version of DxO Photolab as replacement of the subscription of Adobe CC, but decided no to go for it.
Title: Re: DXO Labs begins bankrupcy process
Post by: Airy on April 23, 2018, 22:02:09
I use it less than around 2009 because sensor noise went down in the meantime. However DxO had the best geometric distortion correction tools, including anamorphosis correction for wide angles, quite useful to avoid watermelon heads or disproportioned arms.
Alas (for them), the tagging functions proposed by Lightroom are far more indispensible.
Title: Re: DXO Labs begins bankrupcy process
Post by: Ilkka Nissilä on April 23, 2018, 22:28:30
Yes, the distortion correction in DXO software is superb; from what I've read, it uses the distance information from the lens in the correction (distortion by a given lens varies depending on focus distance) and I've had excellent results using it in our photogrammetry. It corrects distortion with much greater accuracy than any other automated software I've used.

I also use the volume deformation feature for wide angle group shots where I must use a superwide because of the small indoor space available for the group shot, it allows the correction of the stretching of heads of people at the sides of the group while maintaining straight lines in horizontal and vertical directions (other lines may be curved a bit).

I don't use DXO very often because it doesn't have an interface which I like for interactive editing but for special situations I use it.  Examples: when I need good distortion/volume deformation correction, and when I have especially high ISO shots (e.g. 102400) then DXO PRIME does an excellent job at noise reduction.

I hope they recover and are able to continue to develop their excellent software.
Title: Re: DXO Labs begins bankrupcy process
Post by: Akira on April 24, 2018, 02:12:54
I've never realized the anamorphosis/volume deformation tool.  That seems handy.

I didn't go for DxO, but I did like some features.  But, alas, I needed Photoshop Elements in addition to DxO for what I needed to do, which was a bummer.  CC2018 is a perfect one-stop-shop for me today.  I never really like the idea of subscription, but I decided that the total cost of CC compared those of DxO plus PSE or that of Phase One was not that much different, if include the cost of the periodical updates/upgrades of the latter software.
Title: Re: DXO Labs begins bankrupcy process
Post by: John Geerts on April 24, 2018, 09:31:08
I, too, still have the license for Pro 9.  I liked its optical correction, noise reduction and B&W film simulation.  But I found that the optical correction was too through and sometimes caused jaggy in the slightly oblique lines, which resulted in the digital look of the image.  The B&W film simulation was fun, but I ended up preferring ACR.
It's nice to have a kind óf 'second opinion' with regard to post-processing possibilities.  I have a license for Pro 10, but hardly use it.  I prefer ACR as well.
Title: Re: DXO Labs begins bankrupcy process
Post by: armando_m on April 24, 2018, 15:58:46
It's nice to have a kind óf 'second opinion' with regard to post-processing possibilities.  I have a license for Pro 10, but hardly use it.  I prefer ACR as well.
+1
Title: Re: DXO Labs begins bankrupcy process
Post by: chris dees on April 24, 2018, 19:03:25
I have the latest version and like it.
I use it when LR is getting into trouble.
Like others their distortion, noise reduction, clear view to name a few are very good. And they incorporated the U-point technology from NIK.
I use it as a plug-in in LR
If it had a DAM it would have replaced LR for me. One can customise it very good.
Title: Re: DXO Labs begins bankrupcy process
Post by: MFloyd on April 25, 2018, 06:43:29
I used DxO 9 at my “Aperture” times. When Aperture was abandoned by Apple, I switched to Adobe (Lr & Ps), abandoning at the same time DxO. DxO was (is) an excellent de-rawtiser, but lacking (at that time) local editing possibilities, and still lacking DAM. One other criterion for changing to Adobe was the robustness of the company.

To re-emphasize and to use US equivalents: they are NOT filing under Chapter 7 (bankruptcy) but under Chapter 11.  Therefore, the title of this thread should may be changed to “DxO under judicial control” for example.
Title: Re: DXO Labs begins bankrupcy process
Post by: Jack Dahlgren on April 25, 2018, 07:29:32
To re-emphasize and to use US equivalents: they are NOT filing under Chapter 7 (bankruptcy) but under Chapter 11.  Therefore, the title of this thread should may be changed to “DxO under judicial control” for example.

Chapter 11 is a chapter of the bankruptcy code and is commonly recognized to be part of the bankruptcy process even if they come out of the process without being bankrupt.
Title: Re: DXO Labs begins bankrupcy process
Post by: OCD on April 25, 2018, 08:37:46
I hope DxO comes out of this in a strong position.  I'm an oddball that does not care to have a DAM and I like DxO Photo Lab very much.  It would also be nice if they incorporate the Nik Collection into Photo Lab, that would be some frosting on the cake.

Title: Re: DXO Labs begins bankrupcy process
Post by: David H. Hartman on April 25, 2018, 08:41:25
Chapter 11 in the US allows a company protection from creditors while that company attempts to reorganize. A company can immerge from chapter 11 as a viable company. Chapter 7 gives complete protection from creditors and is final. There is no returning from chapter 7.

That's not legal advice. That my best understanding. If that's not enough then StartPage is your friend (maybe). Google sucks...  :o

The title might be changed to DXO files for protection under Chapter 11 bankruptcy law or something similar.
Title: Re: DXO Labs begins bankrupcy process
Post by: John Geerts on April 25, 2018, 09:04:18
That is my understanding too. Well, the title is OK (apart from the misspell), whatever the bankruptcy process may be....
Title: Re: DXO Labs begins bankrupcy process
Post by: MFloyd on April 25, 2018, 09:24:29
I just put my US analogy for a better common understanding by the large international NG community. Though, French law remains very different from US law. So don’t take this too far if you don’t want to jump to false conclusions.
Title: Re: DxO Labs in danger of bankruptcy
Post by: Akira on April 25, 2018, 10:01:29
Christian, thank you for the correction (and thank you, John, for pointing out my misspeling).  I revised the title, although it would still sound like a gossip magazine.   ::)
Title: Re: DxO Labs in danger of bankruptcy
Post by: MFloyd on April 25, 2018, 10:04:05
More than welcome Akira 😉
Title: Re: DxO Labs in danger of bankruptcy
Post by: Akira on May 01, 2018, 07:21:17
The bankruptcy is confirmed, but they are moving forward:

https://www.dpreview.com/news/3183155798/dxo-labs-confirms-bankruptcy-but-promises-updates-to-nik-collection-and-dxo-photolab