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Images => People, Portraits, Street, PJ & Cityscapes => Topic started by: armando_m on January 12, 2018, 20:14:29

Title: Upside down *nude*
Post by: armando_m on January 12, 2018, 20:14:29
 100+ images taken on a session and I liked this one in particular
Title: Re: Upside down *nude*
Post by: Jakov Minić on January 12, 2018, 20:41:00
Are her feet nestling on the door?

Title: Re: Upside down *nude*
Post by: armando_m on January 12, 2018, 20:47:39
Are her feet nestling on the door?
Hi Jakov, no she is about 2m away from the door
Title: Re: Upside down *nude*
Post by: elsa hoffmann on January 12, 2018, 21:17:27
Nice Armando. What I often find with shot like these - is that the models frown- for some strange reason - like your model did here. Why... only they know :) I suppose it's because of the unusual position they are in
Title: Re: Upside down *nude*
Post by: Rick Waldroup on January 12, 2018, 21:36:24
What drives this shot are all of the different lines that run through the photo- the door, her legs framed against the door, the line of the couch cutting the scene in half, the position of her arms which leads to the triangulation of her face.  When you add the soft, subtle B&W processing, the image becomes sexy and spontaneous- at least that is the illusion that is created. 

Great stuff.
Title: Re: Upside down *nude*
Post by: Akira on January 12, 2018, 21:44:21
The pose is nice and the image looks beautiful.  But I would have liked the white-black-white background and the right corner of the sofa would be handled a bit better...
Title: Re: Upside down *nude*
Post by: armando_m on January 12, 2018, 22:10:09
Elsa, I took a few images of the same position and this is the one where her expression was better, it is uncomfortable to be upside down I guess that's why they frown

Rick , thank for your comment and the analysis of what works :)

Akira, Thanks for your comment, what will you call better ? avoid the sofa corner ? have the wall in the back more symmetric ? or do you mean the light ? I do appreciate to have a critique :)
Title: Re: Upside down *nude*
Post by: Akira on January 12, 2018, 22:14:43
Akira, Thanks for your comment, what will you call better ? avoid the sofa corner ? have the wall in the back more symmetric ? or do you mean the light ? I do appreciate to have a critique :)

Armando, sorry to be unclear.  You read my mind perfectly.  :)

I do love both symmetric and unsymmetric geometries.  But at least to me, this particular geometry looks just half way to either, frankly speaking.
Title: Re: Upside down *nude*
Post by: armando_m on January 12, 2018, 22:24:33
Armando, sorry to be unclear.  You read my mind perfectly.  :)

I do love both symmetric and unsymmetric geometries.  But at least to me, this particular geometry looks just half way to either, frankly speaking.
Thanks Akira,
The original image was badly tilted, I had to straighten it and  fill in the empty triangles on both sides, I'll try another version with more symmetry should be an easy fix
Title: Re: Upside down *nude*
Post by: Akira on January 12, 2018, 22:29:20
Thanks for the disclosure, Armando.  Now I see the oblique stitched line on the right side of the wall.  Maybe I'm just nit-picking, but I'm looking forward to seeing another version.
Title: Re: Upside down *nude*
Post by: atpaula on January 12, 2018, 23:24:42
I like the model, the light and the processing, but the background assimetry disturbs me somehow.
Title: Re: Upside down *nude*
Post by: armando_m on January 12, 2018, 23:26:34
Content aware fill is powerful, but leaves little tale traces that need to be fixed by hand , the trick is to find all the tell tales, so if you see anything else please let me know  8)

Title: Re: Upside down *nude*
Post by: Akira on January 13, 2018, 00:43:35
Wow...
Title: Re: Upside down *nude*
Post by: armando_m on January 13, 2018, 02:26:20
Thanks Akira, wish I had the vision at the time of the shot rather than relying on PP to get to a more interesting image
Title: Re: Upside down *nude*
Post by: Akira on January 13, 2018, 02:36:08
Armando, in spite of some criticism, I do feel your aesthetic from this image that has fascinated me.  Hope you will be more successful in extracting that next time!
Title: Re: Upside down *nude*
Post by: Les Olson on January 13, 2018, 12:53:57
That is very nice. My comment is that I think the style is insufficiently defined.  It could be read as a Helmut Newton-style image, with a narrative - why this woman is naked and upside down on a couch - but in that case the narrative is not clear enough because the only clue is the closed door behind her.  If there is not meant to be a narrative, and this is purely an Edward Weston-style study in form, then I think the door should not be in the picture at all.   
Title: Re: Upside down *nude*
Post by: armando_m on January 13, 2018, 15:26:24
That is very nice. My comment is that I think the style is insufficiently defined.  It could be read as a Helmut Newton-style image, with a narrative - why this woman is naked and upside down on a couch - but in that case the narrative is not clear enough because the only clue is the closed door behind her.  If there is not meant to be a narrative, and this is purely an Edward Weston-style study in form, then I think the door should not be in the picture at all.   
Les, thank you for the comment, this is definitively about the light and shadows in her body, interestingly she did comment about the door in the background

If there was no door, then perhaps a black background would be the best choice, we could have moved to a dark background, and I would have to use artificial light instead of the window

Edit: I did some quick edits the gray background with the wall texture looks better than a black background
Title: Re: Upside down *nude*
Post by: Airy on January 14, 2018, 17:51:25
I find the centered version much more appealing. The inverted cross composition works for me. Editing the background wall was a good idea. I'd suggest - sorry for nit-picking - that you also "blacken" the door; some sort of hinge can be seen in the center right. DoF might be a bit too low (low resolution makes it difficult to judge) as her feed "stand out" against the door, but seem to be blurred at the same time.
Title: Re: Upside down *nude*
Post by: Ron Scubadiver on January 15, 2018, 05:10:44
Sweet.
Title: Re: Upside down *nude*
Post by: armando_m on January 15, 2018, 17:55:09
I find the centered version much more appealing. The inverted cross composition works for me. Editing the background wall was a good idea. I'd suggest - sorry for nit-picking - that you also "blacken" the door; some sort of hinge can be seen in the center right. DoF might be a bit too low (low resolution makes it difficult to judge) as her feed "stand out" against the door, but seem to be blurred at the same time.
Airy, thanks for your comment and nit-pick :), yes there is a hinge visible, and yes the DOF is not deep enough, but that in my opinion is an advantage I was not looking for precise detail but the overall light and shadows on her

Thank you Ron
Title: Re: Upside down *nude*
Post by: golunvolo on January 15, 2018, 19:21:00
As stated I feel the play with lines is what makes this work. Puts enfasis in the living femenine curves. It happens also in the contrast of the darker surroundings that make the skin glow. Floating beauty. Just because I like it I wiil get picky too :) For me the best composition will be asymmetrical but straight with no corner on the sofa ( as the second image), darker door may work as Airy point out to get more separation fron the door. A bit more contrast?
    There you go. The image put the brain to work as if it was mine.

     Thanks Armando
Title: Re: Upside down *nude*
Post by: armando_m on January 16, 2018, 05:12:28
Paco, thank you so much for your analysis and suggestions
Title: Re: Upside down *nude*
Post by: Erik Lund on January 16, 2018, 08:41:53
I agree with Paco on this one ;)