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Gear Talk => What the Nerds Do => Topic started by: richardHaw on December 31, 2017, 15:27:16

Title: Repair of the Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 Ai!
Post by: richardHaw on December 31, 2017, 15:27:16
http://richardhaw.com/2017/12/31/repair-micro-nikkor-105mm-f-4-ai/

Somebody requested this a couple of months ago :o :o :o
Took me some time to finish this as I was busy with the World of F-mount Nikkor articles  ::)

http://richardhaw.com/2017/12/09/world-of-f-mount-nikkors/

http://richardhaw.com/2017/12/13/world-of-f-mount-nikkors-2-3/

http://richardhaw.com/2017/12/24/world-of-f-mount-nikkors-3-3/
Title: Re: Repair of the Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 Ai!
Post by: bobfriedman on December 31, 2017, 16:23:55
thank you!... great reading!
Title: Re: Repair of the Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 Ai!
Post by: John Geerts on December 31, 2017, 19:38:32
Great overview of all those beautiful Nikkor's, Richard !  Thanks for the links.
Title: Re: Repair of the Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 Ai!
Post by: pluton on January 01, 2018, 20:47:49
Thanks for this fascinating series.
Title: Re: Repair of the Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 Ai!
Post by: richardHaw on January 03, 2018, 07:27:24
glad that I am entertaining you guys  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Repair of the Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 Ai!
Post by: Bent Hjarbo on March 08, 2018, 11:30:40
I can’t see anything about the iris, is it inside the objective?
I have one where the iris is stuck at f4 :-\
By removing the front and replacing the objective and all the linkage, it now works :)
Title: Re: Repair of the Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 Ai!
Post by: richardHaw on March 09, 2018, 05:24:19
it might be oily  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Repair of the Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 Ai!
Post by: Bent Hjarbo on March 09, 2018, 08:16:14
There are traces of oil on the blades, but I think that the linkage somehow was interuptet.
I may make a more nettet service later, but for now it works, Thanks to your write-up :)
Title: Re: Repair of the Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 Ai!
Post by: Seapy on March 09, 2018, 09:42:30
glad that I am entertaining you guys  :o :o :o

Far more than entertainment Richard,  education about the inner workings is a valuable skill to be passed on, even if I never have to delve into my Micro Nikkor 105mm f4 ai it gives me useful knowledge which may apply elsewhere.  Thank you for taking the time to tell us.
Title: Re: Repair of the Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 Ai!
Post by: richardHaw on March 09, 2018, 10:52:03
the blog is a therapy for my mild depression. i had to maintain it to keep me sane  :o :o :o there, i said it  ::)
Title: Re: Repair of the Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 Ai!
Post by: Seapy on March 09, 2018, 11:20:27
We all need to be busy and active, helps keep us fit, physically and mentally.  Good luck with the depression.  Stay busy but NOT overloaded.
Title: Re: Repair of the Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 Ai!
Post by: Bent Hjarbo on March 12, 2018, 16:59:41
Got the 105mm working, I already had the 105mm bellows, now can you see what’s missing ;)
Title: Re: Repair of the Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 Ai!
Post by: richardHaw on March 13, 2018, 02:51:22
wow! i am currently looking for a cheap 13.5cm f4 bellows lens  ::)

you are just missing a good subject that's all  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Repair of the Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 Ai!
Post by: Seapy on March 13, 2018, 08:36:20
now can you see what’s missing ;)

The connecting 52mm - bayonet mount for the bellows lens?
Title: Re: Repair of the Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 Ai!
Post by: Bent Hjarbo on March 13, 2018, 09:37:33
The K3 ring to connect the bellow lens in front of the other 105mm, according to Bjørn it should not be used reversed in front of the 105.
And of course I neeca good subject ;)
Title: Re: Repair of the Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 Ai!
Post by: Birna Rørslett on March 13, 2018, 10:48:39
I probably have a spare K3 floating around in the chaos ensuing after my recent move out of Oslo. Will bring it to Spain -- if I can locate it first :D
Title: Re: Repair of the Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 Ai!
Post by: Bent Hjarbo on March 13, 2018, 11:19:17
Looking forward to meet again, and hopefully you find something in one of the many boxes :)
Title: Re: Repair of the Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 Ai!
Post by: Roland Vink on March 13, 2018, 20:22:42
You are also missing the AIS 105/4 micro, to complete your collection of lens designs using the same optical design :)
Title: Re: Repair of the Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 Ai!
Post by: Bent Hjarbo on March 13, 2018, 21:45:31
And the K ;)
Title: Re: Repair of the Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 Ai!
Post by: Akira on March 13, 2018, 21:50:59
Doesn't the rear element of the bellows micro 105 hit the front element of Ai(s) micro if the former is mounted onto the latter just with K3?  Don't you need, say, a 52mm filter with its glass removed to add some length to K3?
Title: Re: Repair of the Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 Ai!
Post by: Bent Hjarbo on March 13, 2018, 22:37:50
I am not shure, but I will consult Bjørn in order not make any harm to the front element.
Title: Re: Repair of the Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 Ai!
Post by: Roland Vink on March 13, 2018, 23:05:40
The front element of the AI 105/4 micro is recessed (see http://www.destoutz.ch/lens_105mm_f4_178997.html) so I expect it should be safe to use with the K3 and bellows 105 Nikkor, but take care just in case!

And yes the K is also missing, but it is essentially the same as the AI version so you could leave it out :)
Title: Re: Repair of the Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 Ai!
Post by: Akira on March 13, 2018, 23:05:55
As you already know, Bjørn only refers to K3 ring in his classic review.  Maybe I'm overly concerned, but you cannot be too careful.
Title: Re: Repair of the Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 Ai!
Post by: Asle F on March 14, 2018, 19:52:52
Doesn't the rear element of the bellows micro 105 hit the front element of Ai(s) micro if the former is mounted onto the latter just with K3?  Don't you need, say, a 52mm filter with its glass removed to add some length to K3?

No problem with that combination. There are space enough.
For a shorter shade, I use the shade from Voigländer 90mm/3.5. That makes it a lot easier to lighten the subject.
Title: Re: Repair of the Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 Ai!
Post by: Akira on March 14, 2018, 22:41:28
Roland and Asle, thank you for the confirmation.  I've had an Ais version just briefly and knew that the front element was recessed "a bit" but didn't realized that is actually recessed "enough".
Title: Re: Repair of the Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 Ai!
Post by: Bent Hjarbo on March 14, 2018, 22:42:00
No problem with that combination. There are space enough.
For a shorter shade, I use the shade from Voigländer 90mm/3.5. That makes it a lot easier to lighten the subject.
I actually tried just by holding the lenses together by hand, an yes the shade is too long. Will see if something appropriate can be found.
Title: Re: Repair of the Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 Ai!
Post by: Akira on March 14, 2018, 22:45:37
I actually tried just by holding the lenses together by hand, an yes the shade is too long. Will see if something appropriate can be found.

Bent, if you get the whole K-ring set, you could use the K4 or K5 ring as a shorter shade.
Title: Re: Repair of the Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 Ai!
Post by: richardHaw on March 15, 2018, 05:10:00
i got a whole K-ring set for little money at Alps-do  :o :o :o

https://richardhaw.com/2017/12/01/shopping-alps-do-camera/

The shade was handy. I was shooting bugs and it helped protect my lens from pollen and sap (and bugs)
Title: Re: Repair of the Micro-Nikkor 105mm f/4 Ai!
Post by: Asle F on March 15, 2018, 16:52:13
The shade of the 90mm/3.5 is essential a 52-39mm step down ring, and a short tube with 39mm threads. That makes it a effectiv shade even if it is short. And the smaller diameter does also help not shading the subject.