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The NikonGear Office => Site Issues => Topic started by: Andrea B. on August 20, 2017, 14:56:06

Title: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: Andrea B. on August 20, 2017, 14:56:06
There is always a steady, but usually low-key, interest in Infrared imagery on photography forums. We were wondering if it might be nice to open an Infrared image board in the NikonGear Images section?

Added clarification.
"Infrared board" == This would be a separate, sixth section under the Nikongear Images header.  Currently Images contains the following 5 sections: Critique, Themes (etc), People (etc), Nature (etc), Life (etc)


Our general approach on NG is to be low maintenance and to prevent "board clutter". But an occasional experiment with a slightly more specialized board could prove useful to our members. If we did try an IR board and it did not work out, we could always move the IR topics back onto one of the existing boards.

So please vote in this poll and also let us know your thoughts via comment if you like.

Thank you -
The NikonGear Boffin
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: Michael Erlewine on August 20, 2017, 15:38:35
There is always a steady, but usually low-key, interest in Infrared imagery on photography forums. We were wondering if it might be nice to open an Infrared image board in the NikonGear Images section?

Our general approach on NG is to be low maintenance and to prevent "board clutter". But an occasional experiment with a slightly more specialized board could prove useful to our members. If we tried an IR board and it did not work out, we could always move the IR topics back onto one of the existing boards.

So please vote in this poll and also let us know your thoughts via comment if you like.

Thank you -
The NikonGear Boffin

I suggest a separate forum within NikonGear. I don't have time to go to many sites, and although I see some great IF images, I have not gone these myself, so I doubt I would go to a new board, but I would look at what is posted here.
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: Olivier on August 20, 2017, 16:27:00
While I am definitely interested in IR (and most of what I like in my pictures is IR, besides portraits), I don't think that this should be seen as their major trait. I would rather keep posting IR shots in the regular boards.
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on August 20, 2017, 17:18:00
I suggest a separate forum within NikonGear. I don't have time to go to many sites, and although I see some great IF images, I have not gone these myself, so I doubt I would go to a new board, but I would look at what is posted here.

That is precisely what Andrea suggested.
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: CS on August 20, 2017, 17:28:27
What you're asking is whether or not to move IR out of the existing boards and into it's own board. As one who has no interest in UV/IR, I'm not sure that my opinion should carry much weight when it comes to the handling of the images from those that are interested. Having said that, I would very likely not see such images if they were on their own board. I don't know if that matters to anyone, but, you asked. 
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: Frank Fremerey on August 20, 2017, 17:54:45
I like to see some IR shots from time to time. We got some great talent here in that field, but a special forum I sure will not visit.

Suggestion: Put "Beyond Visible" as subcategory of "images"
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: FredCrowBear on August 21, 2017, 04:08:43
I have dabbled with IR - I'm not very skilled at it, particularly post-processing. 
I would enjoy following an IR forum and learning how is it properly done!!!

Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: Akira on August 21, 2017, 04:39:31
I didn't vote because none of the three options represents my opinion.

Although I don't do UV or IR anymore (at least currently), I always enjoy the images posted by the members.

However, I don't think that a dedicated forum for IR is necessary here in NG.  The dedicated info on the IR photography is gathered in the Ultraviolet Photography website over the years, and most of the info can be accessed even without logging in. It is a very generous website.

I consider the technical info on UV, IR or multi-spectrum photography is more scientific rather than for general photography.  In order to keep the forum as simple as possible, I would think that we should shy away form such highly (relatively) scientific section.
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: David H. Hartman on August 21, 2017, 04:53:25
I voted No, not interested though I am quite interested in IR and UV photography. At this time I am unable to have a camera converted.

In voting this way I hope I'm saying keep the IR and UV Photography coming but include it in the appropriate and existing boards.

Dave who may be confused
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: David H. Hartman on August 21, 2017, 06:50:37


I voted as I voted but maybe I shouldn't have. I guess I'm really neutral. If an IR board is created I'm certain I'll visit it. If not I'll view IR photos where posted.

Dave


Admin: slightly edited to remove a reference to a deleted post
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: Hugh_3170 on August 21, 2017, 07:27:13
It is early days yet - so why not let the survey run its intended course and see where the final results end up before picking up our swords and going into battle?

Once the final votes are in, I am sure that the moderators of this site will make wise and informed decisions.


Admin: slightly edited to remove reference to a deleted post
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: Bjørn Rørslett on August 21, 2017, 08:52:03
The existence of ultavioletphotography.com on its own does not prevent Nikongear from having its own IR board.The purposes of those two sites are entirely different.
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: Akira on August 21, 2017, 18:56:22
I consider the UV/IR images posted here as the ones with the special visual effects along with HDR, multi-exposure, point color, highly saturated color, etc.  There have been threads under certain [Theme]'s dedicated for specific effects or techniques.

So, to me, and with all the respect for the UV/IR expert, the dedicated Infrared (or UV or HDR or multi-exposure or whatever) "Board" is redundant here.

Okay, I voted reluctantly for "No, not interested", because it is the only option to say "no".
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: Frank Fremerey on August 21, 2017, 20:43:52
After you added the clarification I would say: "WHY NOT?" not "NO"

How can I change my vote???
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: CS on August 21, 2017, 20:53:23
I consider the UV/IR images posted here as the ones with the special visual effects along with HDR, multi-exposure, point color, highly saturated color, etc.  There have been threads under certain [Theme]'s dedicated for specific effects or techniques.

So, to me, and with all the respect for the UV/IR expert, the dedicated Infrared (or UV or HDR or multi-exposure or whatever) "Board" is redundant here.

Okay, I voted reluctantly for "No, not interested", because it is the only option to say "no".

Yes, I too noticed 2 yes options as opposed to 1 no option.
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: Michael Erlewine on August 21, 2017, 20:57:13
That is precisely what Andrea suggested.

Great! How would I convert a Nikon D7100?
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: CS on August 21, 2017, 21:06:56
Do we all get to change our votes, or just Frank?
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: ColinM on August 21, 2017, 23:27:54
Interesting question.

I tend to use NG by clicking "show unread posts since last visit'. I've always assumed that let's me see all new stuff, wherever it's been posted.

If so, it really doesn't matter how many forums there are, or where people choose to post.
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: bobfriedman on August 21, 2017, 23:49:28
i might ask what the goals of such a sub-forum might be. if you merely want all IR images in one place that might be one reason.. or do you want a place where IR technical issues might be raised that is another..  if you think that IR has no place in forums containing visible renderings that is another..

i think we need to be clear as to the purpose.. right now i can't see it.

using IR as a medium of expression on occasion is satisfied using existing forums (landscape etc),,,
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: Bill Mellen on August 21, 2017, 23:51:46
Interesting question.

I tend to use NG by clicking "show unread posts since last visit'. I've always assumed that let's me see all new stuff, wherever it's been posted.

If so, it really doesn't matter how many forums there are, or where people choose to post.

+1
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: David H. Hartman on August 21, 2017, 23:55:37
After you added the clarification I would say: "WHY NOT?" not "NO"

How can I change my vote???


You can't! You just have to live with it. :)

Dave

The smiley is very small and might be missed so here is another :)

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If the Admin and Mods like my vote can be changed from "No" to a proxy to use as they please.

Dave
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: David H. Hartman on August 21, 2017, 23:57:41
Blind man using smartphone error.
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: Fons Baerken on August 22, 2017, 00:42:45
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4388/35645325314_5172cd47c8_o.jpg)

May wish had the means for more ir converted bodies with a variety of internal filters

cheers
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: Akira on August 22, 2017, 01:09:07
Interesting question.

I tend to use NG by clicking "show unread posts since last visit'. I've always assumed that let's me see all new stuff, wherever it's been posted.

If so, it really doesn't matter how many forums there are, or where people choose to post.

That is the problem.  If the IR forum is added, there will be more threads I want to check out!    ;D :o ;D :o
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: Bill Mellen on August 22, 2017, 01:17:39
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4388/35645325314_5172cd47c8_o.jpg)

May wish had the means for more ir converted bodies with a variety of internal filters

cheers

Thanks Fons! 
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: Andrea B. on August 22, 2017, 01:43:01
That is otherworldy, Fons. Love it!
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: Bern on August 22, 2017, 03:07:22
If I may be allowed to...

For someone like myself who is just starting to explore the world of IR photography a dedicated board would be very useful. From lenses to post processing and everything else in between. Its not something that is commonly discussed in most forums. And I find that Nikongear has one of the most, if not the most, friendly and professional members (and experts) I have visited. A novice photographer would surely benefit from all the knowledge that you guys can share.

Just my two cents worth of opinion.

Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: Kuri on August 22, 2017, 05:03:57
1) I am feeling a little dusty now. ;-)
2) It seems like reverse logic to think that making a separate category is shoving anything anywhere, on the contrary, it seems like it might add a level of separation for those who are not interested in the subject matter.
3) Someone asked if they can change their vote. No, this is not allowed! (I am only kidding).
4) What is a "Bofin"?  OK, never mind, I Googled it. :-)
5) I'm not going to vote on this.
6) Fons, Cool pic!
7) Compliments on the UV/IR site, which has much to offer.
 
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: Andrea B. on August 22, 2017, 06:41:54
Just for the record, the  UVP site referred to by some posters and nicely defended by Kuri does have some IR info which I rescued from the old NikonGear and put on UVP because I didn't know what else to with it. But please note, UVP is *not* an open public forum. It is just for the approximately 10 people in the world who seriously work on UV photography and 3 of them aren't even members there. And it is primarily for Ultraviolet reflected and fluorescent photography. And it has nothing at all to do with any service or board or feature which I might try to set up *here* for the members.

Thanks to everyone for their comments and input. We are not going to open a new IR section at this time.

Admin: slightly edited text. While it is true UVP requires appointed membership (you have to apply for it), the site contents are publicly accessible.

The poll was set up to disallow vote changing. Nobody changed their vote.
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: charlie on August 31, 2017, 06:48:54
For what it's worth I think an IR and UV board would be a fine addition here. I suspect it would not raise as much interest as other boards on the site though there are technical issues/questions/discussions specific to shooting outside of the visible spectrum that in time could be a good resource if it was all collected on a dedicated board, otherwise it gets lost in the fray. Old sites have had similar sub-forums and I owe just about everything I know of IR and UV photography to such dedicated boards.

As Frank mentioned, a 'beyond visible' sub board seems a good fit. People could bring technical discussion to the board and decide if they wanted to post pictures there or elsewhere on the site.

If someone was not interested in it for whatever reason they could simply refrain from visiting it, no?

Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: Anirban Halder on August 31, 2017, 13:42:45
For what it's worth I think an IR and UV board would be a fine addition here. I suspect it would not raise as much interest as other boards on the site though there are technical issues/questions/discussions specific to shooting outside of the visible spectrum that in time could be a good resource if it was all collected on a dedicated board, otherwise it gets lost in the fray. Old sites have had similar sub-forums and I owe just about everything I know of IR and UV photography to such dedicated boards.

As Frank mentioned, a 'beyond visible' sub board seems a good fit. People could bring technical discussion to the board and decide if they wanted to post pictures there or elsewhere on the site.

If someone was not interested in it for whatever reason they could simply refrain from visiting it, no?
+1
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: Bill Mellen on August 31, 2017, 23:42:46
Yes, I think there should be a separate board.  Makes it easier to find posts related to IR photography.
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: bobfriedman on September 01, 2017, 00:46:51
the issue i raised is.. IR should be treated as an expressive medium and therefore should be viewed in the more general sense with landscapes, etc.. my fear with an IR only forum topic is that all IR images will be relegated to that IR forum topic and will not be allowed to stand with visible renderings.

the only significant reason for an IR forum topic would be to discuss technical details and insights into the creation of IR images. i just don't see that happening here.

i didn't vote by the way.
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: pluton on September 01, 2017, 02:16:39
I like looking at the infrared photography that has appeared here, but I'm not convinced that a separate board is needed.
Add to that all the many (most?) forums on which the user experience is made annoying by the visual clutter of 'Board Proliferation', I'd vote no.
However, I can't vote--the voting seems to be closed.  I see the results graph, but no vote checkboxes to fill in.
Cheers...
EDIT: Poll now works, Thank you mods.
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: Fons Baerken on September 01, 2017, 03:25:56
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4435/36076628414_23ddd057a6_o.jpg)

Hernen castle

D5300, 720nm, afs18-140mm f/3.5-5.6vr
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: Bill De Jager on September 01, 2017, 04:05:06
I can't seem to find any way to vote in the poll.  Moving my pointer over everything in the poll area produces nothing. This is true in both Firefox and IE.  The poll is stated to close on September 3 although there is a padlock icon shown.  Is it still possible to vote or has the closure date been moved up?
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: Thomas G on September 01, 2017, 07:20:42
Same here. Plus neither phone not tablett work.
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: Erik Lund on September 01, 2017, 08:06:23
I have opened the poll again,,, I don't know why it was locked,,,
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: bobfriedman on September 01, 2017, 08:07:46
it is also a "biased" poll.. two yes votes essentially..
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: Erik Lund on September 01, 2017, 09:41:31
Come on guys, it's just a poll - This is not an intelligence test  ;D
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: David H. Hartman on September 01, 2017, 11:38:31
That's a relief: I thought I flunked an IQ test.

Dave

I hope it's not right minus wrong. I hate that kind of test.
Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: Thomas G on September 03, 2017, 11:24:50
I enjoy IR and other out-of-band images posted in original artist themes amongst the other works.

Title: Re: Any Interest in an Infrared Image Board for Nikongear?
Post by: Dr Klaus Schmitt on September 13, 2017, 19:29:33
I would rather like a "IR and UV" board ;-)
[if I don't get banned right away that is...]