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Gear Talk => Lens Talk => Topic started by: ArthurDent on January 08, 2017, 03:20:21

Title: Breakfast With Emma- Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: ArthurDent on January 08, 2017, 03:20:21
Here are a couple of shots I took with the 28-105 on the D500. I thought they came out very well. 1/125 sec. f/4.5 at 105mm, ISO 4000, Exposure comp -0.7EV
Title: Re: Breakfast With Emma- Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: ArthurDent on January 08, 2017, 03:23:01
Here's another: (1/125 sec., f/3.5 at 32 mm, ISO 3200, exposure comp. -0.7EV)
Title: Re: Breakfast With Emma- Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: ArthurDent on January 08, 2017, 03:25:08
One more: (1/125 sec., f/3.5 at 32 mm, ISO 3200, exposure comp. -0.7EV)
Title: Re: Breakfast With Emma- Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: chambeshi on January 08, 2017, 10:43:47
It is an excellent lens, especially considering the money one pays (~100 quid Used and often less). The Macro function is very useful and works well

here's one at f8, ISO 400 on D7200:
Title: Re: Breakfast With Emma- Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: Akira on January 08, 2017, 12:42:30
Arthur, these are priceless moments, regardless of which lens you used.
Title: Re: Breakfast With Emma- Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: ArthurDent on January 08, 2017, 15:27:48
It is an excellent lens, especially considering the money one pays (~100 quid Used and often less). The Macro function is very useful and works well

here's one at f8, ISO 400 on D7200:

Nice capture! I haven't tried the macro function, but I'm thinking about leaving the lens on the camera to replace the 35-70 f/2.8, so the macro function may get some use.
Title: Re: Breakfast With Emma- Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: ArthurDent on January 08, 2017, 15:34:10
Arthur, these are priceless moments, regardless of which lens you used.
Yes, she's 2 years and 10 months old, so changing every day. That's the magic of photography, it helps us to preserve those instants in time which would otherwise fade from memory too soon, pressed out of mind by the rush of our everyday affairs.
Title: Re: Breakfast With Emma- Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: Nasos Kosmas on January 08, 2017, 19:56:26
I  have  got this lens and I used it from the late film and early digital days
It combines a useful range plus macro
Can you show us any photo on FF to see the rendering in daylight?
thank you
Title: Re: Breakfast With Emma- Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: ArthurDent on January 08, 2017, 21:06:19
The following 3 images were taken this afternoon within a few minutes of each other. All are at ISO 100 and 85mm. Camera set to vivid, no exposure compensation, no post processing. First is 1/800 at f/7.1, second 1/1000 at f/6.3 and last 1/1600 at f/5. Focus point in all three is the large cylinder at the top of the cone.
Title: Re: Breakfast With Emma- Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: ArthurDent on January 08, 2017, 21:07:56
2nd image
Title: Re: Breakfast With Emma- Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: ArthurDent on January 08, 2017, 21:10:55
3rd image:
Title: Re: Breakfast With Emma- Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: Thomas G on January 08, 2017, 23:39:09
I used this lens a lot on the D700. Still own one but not so much usage on the Df.
I see that it has it's merits, may need to take it out again.
Title: Re: Breakfast With Emma- Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: David H. Hartman on January 09, 2017, 04:14:53
I had two of these. The first didn't report the focal length correctly. The second was fine. If you get a good copy they are a pretty nice lens. I do note that the zoom tended to bind some when zooming near the wide end. The specified lens hood looks like a funnel. There is an alternate hood that many use. It fits perfectly but offers less protection from stray light. I'll list the model number when I find it.

I needed a replacement for my AF35-70/2.8D and tried the AF28-70/3.5-4.4D and AF 35-105/3.5-4.5D ( only the D version has an aspheric element) as well as the AF 28-105/3.5-4.5D. I liked the first two so I kept both but needing money I sold the 28-105. I kept the hood in case I someday buy another.

I believe all three of these lenses have a single hybrid aspheric element and offer a nice performance for there humble design. I think all three were kit lenses to film cameras like the F100.

They may not have the bite of some recent lenses and don't have nano coatings but I'm pleased with the performance on my D800.

Hope this helps,

Dave Hartman
Title: Re: Breakfast With Emma- Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: ArthurDent on January 09, 2017, 04:56:24
Even at a bad exposure, 1/400 sec., f/29 and ISO 900, you still get a pretty decent image:
Title: Re: Breakfast With Emma- Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: David H. Hartman on January 09, 2017, 05:14:55
Even at a bad exposure, 1/400 sec., f/29 and ISO 900, you still get a pretty decent image:

Someone correct me if I'm wrong: I. Believe that's due to a hybrid aspheric element. Myself I rarely stop down below f/11 on an FX or 35mm camera due to diffraction. Also light that brings out texture or edges of light to dark makes an image look sharp.

Dave

Truth in advertising: I didn't notice f/29 until after I press the button to post. :)
Title: Re: Breakfast With Emma- Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: chambeshi on January 09, 2017, 15:44:28
Dear Arthur
Great Photos, Sir. All very crisp images, true to form with this zoom :-)

On his lens ratings, Bjorn gives it a 4/5 on the D1 http://www.naturfotograf.com/lens_zoom_02.html

But the 28-105 appears to have been overtaken by the G (and E lens) Nikkors that perform better on the high resolution sensors of the D800 and D810.
http://www.dslrbodies.com/lenses/lens-databases-for-nikon/thoms-recommended-lenses-2.html

But this hypothesis awaits empirical evidence

A possible alternative is the 24-120 f4G VR but it's bigger, heavier and much more costly (but not the older model 24-120!). Older discussion of this comparison

http://photo.net/nikon-camera-forum/00DrWH?start=10

and more recent comparison of 28-105 AFD vs 24-120 VR f4G https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/2979632?page=2

Here are a few reviews etc of the 28-105 AFD Nikkor

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/AFNikkor/AF28105mm/index.htm

http://www.vividlight.com/articles/115.HTM

This table is most useful for many of us NikonoPhiles

http://www.throughthefmount.com/articles_rev_table.html

According to my notes from www searches, the alternative hood that works better is the HK-16, which I have yet to find (!) My personal conclusion is that when one finds a decent copy of this lens, don't let it go  ;)

kind regards

Woody
Title: Re: Breakfast With Emma- Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: ArthurDent on January 09, 2017, 23:09:53
Woody- Thanks for posting all the info on the lens, some great links there! I especially enjoyed the articles in the throughthefmount site.
Regards,
AD
Title: Re: Breakfast With Emma- Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: David H. Hartman on January 10, 2017, 00:33:31
If one is looking for sharp photographs using the right aperature, shutter speeds and sometimes forgotten light is important. I like a slightly diffused light from an angle that brings out the texture. For some subjects hash light that brings out texture is great. If the light is flat it doesn't matter how much resolution and acutance a lens offers if the light masks the texture the image will not look sharp. If the lens isn't quite cutting edge anymore if the light accentuates the texture the photograph will look sharp.

With this in mind I feel the AF 28-70/3.5-4.5D, AF 35-105/3.5-4.5D and AF 28-105/3.5-4.5D are all good enough as walk around lenses for the D800. I like the discrete size and feel of the first two.

Dave Hartman

Do check for centering issues as I have seen an AF 28-70/3.5-4.5D and AF 28-105/3.5-4.5D with issues. Stopping down can mask the issue so test wide open.

Note that only the D version of the 35-105 has an aspheric element. The other two lenses may have a non-D version with an [hybrid] aspheric element, check Rolland Vink's site.


I'm not sure why I dropped the word "hybrid" above. This technology allowed much higher performance in a kit lens. Roland explains in the next post.
Title: Re: Breakfast With Emma- Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: Roland Vink on January 10, 2017, 02:59:29
The 28-70/3.5-4.5 originally appeared as non-D, but soon changed to D with no other obvious changes. The 28-105 was D only. These and the AF 35-105 D have hybrid aspheric lenses (plastic moulded on glass), not the more expensive ground or moulded aspheric glass.

The early AF 35-80/4-5.6 D was the second Nikkor (after the 28-70) with a hybrid aspheric element. The zoom range is rather limited and the aperture slow, but I heard it is very good also. Not to be confused with the later 35-80 which has a very plasticy appearance and different all-spherical optical design.
Title: Re: Breakfast With Emma- Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: chambeshi on January 10, 2017, 05:10:18
If one is looking for sharp photographs using the right aperature, shutter speeds and sometimes forgotten light is important. I like a slightly diffused light from an angle that brings out the texture. For some subjects hash light that brings out texture is great. If the light is flat it doesn't matter how much resolution and acutance a lens offers if the light masks the texture the image will not look sharp. If the lens isn't quite cutting edge anymore if the light accentuates the texture the photograph will look sharp.

With this in mind I feel the AF 28-70/3.5-4.5D, AF 35-105/3.5-4.5D and AF 28-105/3.5-4.5D are all good enough as walk around lenses for the D800. I like the discrete size and feel of the first two.

Dave Hartman

Do check for centering issues as I have seen an AF 28-70/3.5-4.5D and AF 28-105/3.5-4.5D with issues. Stopping down can mask the issue so test wide open.

Note that only the D version of the 35-105 has an aspheric element. The other two lenses may have a non-D version with an aspheric element, check Rolland Vink's site.


The 28-70/3.5-4.5 originally appeared as non-D, but soon changed to D with no other obvious changes. The 28-105 was D only. These and the AF 35-105 D have hybrid aspheric lenses (plastic moulded on glass), not the more expensive ground or moulded aspheric glass.

The early AF 35-80/4-5.6 D was the second Nikkor (after the 28-70) with a hybrid aspheric element. The zoom range is rather limited and the aperture slow, but I heard it is very good also. Not to be confused with the later 35-80 which has a very plasticy appearance and different all-spherical optical design.

Yes, i've found that stopping down the 28-105 to f5.6 or f8 is a generally sound tactic, and the dynamic range of modern sensors more than permit this, notably in Nikon's D500

Thank you for these 2 excellent Summaries. They consolidate the state of our knowledge of these important AFD Nikkors. I've taken the liberty of copying both into my notes :-)
Title: Re: Breakfast With Emma- Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: ArthurDent on January 16, 2017, 00:38:28
Emma's Dad asked me to make some photographs of some of his paintings. I used the 28-105 to make them. I did so using room lighting, a really mixed bag. ISO was 100, f/8 and exposure was around 3 seconds. I used the self timer to eliminate lens shake.
Title: Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: typestar on September 13, 2017, 21:10:34
The specified lens hood looks like a funnel. There is an alternate hood that many use. It fits perfectly but offers less protection from stray light. I'll list the model number when I find it.
...
They may not have the bite of some recent lenses and don't have nano coatings but I'm pleased with the performance on my D800.

Hi Dave,  thanykyou for this test.... could you list the number of the alternative lens hood for the Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5  -- because you are absolutely right about the origin hood: awfull...

Thankyou very much
Title: Re: Breakfast With Emma- Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: Roland Vink on September 13, 2017, 22:21:33
The hood for the AFD 28-105 (HB-18) is very wide and shallow so that it does not vignette at the wide 28mm setting. Unfortunately it is not possible to use a narrower petal-type hood (with cut-outs in the corners to prevent vignetting at the short end) because the filter ring turns when zooming, the cut-outs would twist to the wrong position, so the hood has to be a wide circular shape.
A narrower hood is possible if you are shooting on a DX camera, but then the 18-105 or 18-140 is probably a better option.
Title: Re: Breakfast With Emma- Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: typestar on September 13, 2017, 23:05:29
Unfortunately it is not possible to use a narrower petal-type hood (with cut-outs in the corners to prevent vignetting at the short end) because the filter ring turns when zooming, the cut-outs would twist to the wrong position, so the hood has to be a wide circular shape.

Roland,
thankyou very much for pointing out this --
I thought perhaps a wider - 72 mm -  cheap "vented metal hood" like this
 http://tinyurl.com/vented-curved-metal-hood-72mm (screwed into a 62mm -72 mm step-up ring) could be used -
but this would be the same then..., I think...

best wishes,
christian
Title: Re: Breakfast With Emma- Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: Roland Vink on September 13, 2017, 23:43:44
Do you have the HB-18 for the 28-105? Nikon hoods are often quite conservative - they are shorter than they could be - so it might be possible to use a hood with the same depth and smaller diameter, or greater depth and same diameter. it would be a matter of trial and error - you could try taping some black card around the rim of the hood to make it deeper, take a few pictures at 28mm to see if you get vignetting. Hopefully that will give you a clue about whether the vented hood would work or not.

If the primary purpose of the hood is to protect the front from physical impact rather than shading, just take the glass out of an old UV filter and screw the empty ring on the lens. If the ring is fairly deep, it will provide a small measure of protection without taking any room in your camera bag. Normally you can see in the viewfinder if flare is getting into your lens, so you can shade the front with your hand or a hat, instead of relying on a hood.
Title: Re: Breakfast With Emma- Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: Frank Fremerey on September 14, 2017, 05:33:20
First picture is wonderful. The child imitates the behavior of adults to open their mouth if they feed children...
Title: Re: Breakfast With Emma- Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: typestar on September 15, 2017, 00:17:25
Roland,
thankyou very much for this tipps... I think, my primary purpose of a shade is mostly the function of shading and protect against flare...
As I see written here, is it proofed (?) that the 28-105 mm shows a (special ?) weakness if used in direct sunlight...

Thanykou for all your guidance,

christian
Title: Re: Breakfast With Emma- Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: Roland Vink on September 15, 2017, 01:04:29
If the sun or other bright light is inside the picture, even the deepest and best hood won't make a difference. And if the lens flares badly there is nothing you can do except to recompose the picture with the sun outside the frame, or use a different lens which does not flare...
Title: Re: Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: David H. Hartman on September 15, 2017, 01:23:14
Hi Dave,  thanykyou for this test.... could you list the number of the alternative lens hood for the Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5  -- because you are absolutely right about the origin hood: awfull...

Thankyou very much

I think I know where the alternate hood I bought for the 28-195/3.5-4.5D is. I'm not at home now. I'll check when I am. It's not going to be as good as the Nikon designated hood but it will afford some protection from bumps to the front element or filter. A hand can shade the lens and be very effective.

Dave
Title: Re: Breakfast With Emma- Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: Roland Vink on September 15, 2017, 02:21:36
You could try the HN-22 hood, designed for the AIS 35-70/3.5 and 35-135/3.5-4.5. Since it is designed for a 35mm wideangle, it may be too long for the 28-105 at 28mm and cause vignetting. On the other hand many HN (screw-in) are too short, so they can be screwed on top of a filter and still not cause vignetting. For example, the HN-3 for 35mm lenses can be used on most 28mm lenses when screwed in directly to the lens (they will cause vignetting if fitted over a filter). The same may be true with the HN-22 and 28-105?
Title: Re: Breakfast With Emma- Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: Matthew Currie on September 15, 2017, 22:45:14
I may have mentioned this before, but maybe not.  Although it's not a terribly convenient length for walking around on DX the 28-105, owing to its close focusing and generally decent behavior, is a very nice lens for freehand bug chasing. The 85/2.8 and 55/3.5, being primes, are nicer in some ways, but the 55 is a bit short, and the 85 heavy and hard to manipulate fast. When I just want to go out and see what's buzzing around, the 28-105 is a good one to take.

Title: Re: Breakfast With Emma- Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: Thomas G on September 16, 2017, 15:03:33
I may have mentioned this before, but maybe not.  Although it's not a terribly convenient length for walking around on DX the 28-105, owing to its close focusing and generally decent behavior, is a very nice lens for freehand bug chasing. The 85/2.8 and 55/3.5, being primes, are nicer in some ways, but the 55 is a bit short, and the 85 heavy and hard to manipulate fast. When I just want to go out and see what's buzzing around, the 28-105 is a good one to take.
Very good take-away shot. I think I'll again pack the 28-105 for the next trip. Never had the feeling to sell it anyway.
Title: Re: Breakfast With Emma- Nikon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5. AF-D on the D500
Post by: ArthurDent on June 16, 2018, 20:42:09
Another shot with the 28-105, this time Emma's brother, Finn:
Nikon D500, 28-105 f/3.5-4.5 at 38mm, f/8.0, 1/125th sec., ISO 100.