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Travelogues => Future NG Events - and Location Reveries => Topic started by: chris dees on March 06, 2016, 12:09:30
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For the upcomming Scotland trip I have a few projects for myself.
Besides chipping a few lenses there're a few other things.
I would like to do a comparison between the D810 + Tamron 150-600 against the D500 + 200-500 for things like IQ and AF.
As I have the D810 and Tamron lens I hope someone else already has the D500 and/or 200-500.
I have a broken NKJ 24/2.8 AI-d (Jan-Anne and I tried to clean and lubricate the lens but miserable failed :() and a beaten up/stuck 24/2.4 N.
If possible I want to take the AI-kit to the other lens, have it cleaned and then make it a silver version (like the 45/2.8P). I will have the necessary stuff with me.
Perhaps there're other members who will have projects defined for them selves.
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My ultimate project would be to intravenously inject large quantities of malt whisky into my veins.
The rest is irrelevant :)
I will however support all projects ;)
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My ultimate project would be to intravenously inject large quantities of malt whisky into my veins.
The rest is irrelevant :)
I will however support all projects ;)
It's better to buy your malt whiskey over here as it is cheaper.
I'm not sure how customs will react on your needles. "D
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For me the Scotland trip has taken a wide turn,,, Renting a Nikkor 6mm f/2.8 comes with a lot of consequences like a stable and strong off center tripod, transportation and weight of it all and the sheer size of the Big Eye,,, ::)
So not much room for other lenses and tools, clean underwear,,, Let's see, it all usually works out :D
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I have not yet figured out what to do. A tendency to travel light is definitely there, like two bodies, two optics (or three) and a notebook.
Panoramas I usually only do indoors or as group shots, so leaving the heavy Precision 360 head at home might be a good idea.
My other heartbeat say I should be bold, get a D5 and a 200-500 and try something I never tried before: Chasing bird & other wildlife in the mountains.
Then I think again: no, I will only take the 35/14 Ai-S and shoot portraits of the attendees ....
My guess is I decide spontaneously. If the pound keeps dropping I might be camera shopping in Edinburgh and test new equipment in Scotland.
I wish we could somehow get good mobile light to Killin to have a cooking & shooting session with some inspirational liquids...
I wish I find a way to make my monorail fit for the field.
you see? dreaming of a great holiday!
PS: Edinburgh has a Calument, so renting things might also be an idea
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For me the Scotland trip has taken a wide turn,,, Renting a Nikkor 6mm f/2.8 comes with a lot of consequences like a stable and strong off center tripod, transportation and weight of it all and the sheer size of the Big Eye,,, ::)
So not much room for other lenses and tools, clean underwear,,, Let's see, it all usually works out :D
I come by car and will bring a trunk load of lenses AF as well as MF. ;D
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Dave, what are your views about any wildlife photography opportunities while we are in Killin?
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Then I think again: no, I will only take the 35/14 Ai-S and shoot portraits opf the attendees ....
Frank, photographing each other is part of the fun on a NG event but if your soul purpose is to harass members all day long by sticking a lens in their face I think you'll find yourself shooting the inside of a dark closet very quickly ;) ;D :)
Same happens to the people stealing my shot before I could capture it myself btw ;D ;D ;D
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Dave, what are your views about any wildlife photography opportunities while we are in Killin?
Drive around slowly in the evening, you should be able to shoot some small deer.
From the car
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3221/3012472113_e963abf554_o.jpg)
D300 with 70-200/2.8VR and 1.7TC, Scotland 2008
Bigger deer will be plentiful further up North, we saw dozens on our way to Fort Williams.
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Besides discussions, cooking, fondling equipment etc., I would like to visit and work some of the landscapes that Scotland boasts. I have a few ideas in mind, but since I've never been to Scotland myself, I would welcome suggestions and alternatives.
1) Nearby mountains (the hike suggested by my namesake Simone Tomasi sounds perfect, but I think there will be enough subject material to spend another day there, which is maybe more focused on the photography aspect).
2) Lochs, maybe within Loch Lomond and the Trossachs National Park?
3) Maybe we can visit the coast or even an island, I suppose there are nice places that are within reach. Arran or Eigg attract me the most, but let's see what others think of this idea.
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Erik, Andrea, and I, maybe also Jan Anne, will arrive 1 week in advance and go to the island of Lewis. Not sure what other ground we manage to cover before Killin.
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JanA: My project was to shoot one formal portrait per person, not a random collection of snapshots which will definitely be created anyway.
A conceptual body of work whichof I will prepare the concept before I start it. A recognizable consitency over the whole series.
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Dave, what are your views about any wildlife photography opportunities while we are in Killin?
Wildfowl of many types are plentiful along our two rivers and the shallows of Loch Tay; we have otter, badger, fox, red-deer, roe-deer (very often in our garden), Japanese sika, brown hare, beaver (!), pine-marten, golden eagles in the Lawers range, buzzards. kites, sparrowhawks, osprey, peregrine falcons and may other lesser species; I can testify to all the species named - I have seen them all, some, many times over; they share one attribute - they are all elusive to a high degree. A week might not be long enough to get useful images of even one chosen species, which is why I am not a wildlife photographer.
But . . . when the time comes I can tell you what I know, and hope that helps lessen the odds just a bit. It'll cost you, of course. 8)
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Besides discussions, cooking, fondling equipment etc., I would like to visit and work some of the landscapes that Scotland boasts. I have a few ideas in mind, but since I've never been to Scotland myself, I would welcome suggestions and alternatives.
1) Nearby mountains (the hike suggested by my namesake Simone Tomasi sounds perfect, but I think there will be enough subject material to spend another day there, which is maybe more focused on the photography aspect).
2) Lochs, maybe within Loch Lomond and the Trossachs National Park?
3) Maybe we can visit the coast or even an island, I suppose there are nice places that are within reach. Arran or Eigg attract me the most, but let's see what others think of this idea.
Simone - there is a wealth of excellent and varied scenery within easy reach of Killin; I am trying to prepare an "information pack" for all participants which will give some details of our local landscapes etc, plus anything else which I find interesting and which is doable in a day. Many of the southern and central Highland's most famous locations are reachable from here - Rannoch Moor, Glen Etive, Glen Coe, Ben Nevis . . . the islands are, of course, wonderful but I doubt if any can be visited comfortably in a single day from Killin - you would have to spend one night there. All things are possible.
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Apart from the pleasure of meeting friends, old and new, I am going hoping that the trip will be blessed by weather that will let me do nature photography, principally landscapes.
I also hope to get some photographic hiking done, as already mentioned.
In general I would like to shoot with the best light, which means getting up early and going to bed late; eating, sleeping and socializing hours would have to give at least a bit to this priority.
As much as I would like to get a good shot of interesting species of wildlife, I will not miss other opportunities chasing something that has very low odds of success.
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Wildfowl of many types are plentiful along our two rivers and the shallows of Loch Tay; we have otter, badger, fox, red-deer, roe-deer (very often in our garden), Japanese sika, brown hare, beaver (!), pine-marten, golden eagles in the Lawers range, buzzards. kites, sparrowhawks, osprey, peregrine falcons and may other lesser species; I can testify to all the species named - I have seen them all, some, many times over; they share one attribute - they are all elusive to a high degree. A week might not be long enough to get useful images of even one chosen species, which is why I am not a wildlife photographer.
But . . . when the time comes I can tell you what I know, and hope that helps lessen the odds just a bit. It'll cost you, of course. 8)
Thanks, Dave, so I will bring a long lens. Advice will be gratefully received.
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Interested in wildlife done right?
http://www.bajiroo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/funny-epic-fail-photographer-photo.jpg
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Erik, Andrea, and I, maybe also Jan Anne, will arrive 1 week in advance and go to the island of Lewis. Not sure what other ground we manage to cover before Killin.
Great idea! Unfortunately, I cannot take more time off to join you..
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Simone - there is a wealth of excellent and varied scenery within easy reach of Killin; I am trying to prepare an "information pack" for all participants which will give some details of our local landscapes etc, plus anything else which I find interesting and which is doable in a day. Many of the southern and central Highland's most famous locations are reachable from here - Rannoch Moor, Glen Etive, Glen Coe, Ben Nevis . . . the islands are, of course, wonderful but I doubt if any can be visited comfortably in a single day from Killin - you would have to spend one night there. All things are possible.
That's great!
I understand that an island would be a bit of a stretch to visit in one day. But one could maybe reach Arran which Google Maps says is about 4h from Killin. I could imagine leaving sometime after midnight to stay up and photograph sunrise and into the morning. Then maybe take a nap before returning in the early afternoon for lunch. I'm sure this would pay off if the weather is right. I don't know whether someone would be in for such an adventure. Staying there for one night is another option.
But I'm awaiting your infos, maybe there is something more interesting within an easier reach, e.g. a nice stretch of coast. I can spend hours at a nice spot with interesting rocks for instance, this is photographer heaven for me :)
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That's great!
I understand that an island would be a bit of a stretch to visit in one day. But one could maybe reach Arran which Google Maps says is about 4h from Killin. I could imagine leaving sometime after midnight to stay up and photograph sunrise and into the morning. Then maybe take a nap before returning in the early afternoon for lunch. I'm sure this would pay off if the weather is right. I don't know whether someone would be in for such an adventure. Staying there for one night is another option.
But I'm awaiting your infos, maybe there is something more interesting within an easier reach, e.g. a nice stretch of coast. I can spend hours at a nice spot with interesting rocks for instance, this is photographer heaven for me :)
There is one island which is reasonably accessible from here - Lismore - near the port of Oban (itself worth a visit). The ferry terminal for Lismore is Port Appin (also interesting) which is about an hour's drive from here. I've never been to Lismore myself, so I would probably join anyone who wanted to go there. Looking at Lismore on the internet - it looks good for a day out.
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This is what is most interesting at Port Appin - Castle Stalker, which has a very long history.
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We need to go there!
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Castle Stalker, without a doubt!
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I'm up for this.
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There is one island which is reasonably accessible from here - Lismore - near the port of Oban (itself worth a visit). The ferry terminal for Lismore is Port Appin (also interesting) which is about an hour's drive from here. I've never been to Lismore myself, so I would probably join anyone who wanted to go there. Looking at Lismore on the internet - it looks good for a day out.
Thanks! This looks nice!
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I am in for any ports, seaside, old castles with young elves and good fish
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There is one island which is reasonably accessible from here - Lismore - near the port of Oban (itself worth a visit). The ferry terminal for Lismore is Port Appin (also interesting) which is about an hour's drive from here. I've never been to Lismore myself, so I would probably join anyone who wanted to go there. Looking at Lismore on the internet - it looks good for a day out.
And... Oban has a distillery you can visit. :D
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I follow in you wake...
All the things I hear sound just fantastic!
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I'm planning to visit the Isle of May (near Anstruther) on Saturday (May 14th) for a birding day trip and find a B&B and go home the next day.
Anstruther is about 2,5 hour drive from Killin.
On the way to the ferry in NewCastle I'll pass Edinburgh Airport.
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I'm planning to visit the Isle of May (near Anstruther) on Saturday (May 14th) for a birding day trip and find a B&B and go home the next day.
Anstruther is about 2,5 hour drive from Killin.
On the way to the ferry in NewCastle I'll pass Edinburgh Airport.
I leave May 15 by midday frim Edinburgh
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I'm planning to visit the Isle of May (near Anstruther) on Saturday (May 14th) for a birding day trip and find a B&B and go home the next day.
Anstruther is about 2,5 hour drive from Killin.
On the way to the ferry in NewCastle I'll pass Edinburgh Airport.
Chris, you were faster than me, as I was about to suggest this trip. It seems that it'd be the cheapest way to take pics of Puffins (I do not why, but I dreamed of this since long time !) and Seal as well.
No sure I would go there in my own, but if somebody else goes, I am in ! ;)
We would have to leave quite early, though.
By the way, I am now 99% decided to come with my car.(I have to find the correct thread to offer my help to get members at Edinburgh airport).
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Puffins are really nice birds. Even I, by any means not a bird shooter, can see that. Their flight pattern is erratic and peculiar as well.
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Even I, by any means not a bird shooter, can see that.
Well, this shot is very nice : the light seems to cross its bill.
You will certainly see more in Isle of Lewis, I guess... :)
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Well, this shot is very nice : the light seems to cross its bill.
You will certainly see more in Isle of Lewis, I guess... :)
No, almost certainly not. There are only a few puffin colonies in Scotland, and none in Lewis / Harris that I know of. By far the best Scottish puffin colonies are in the Shetland Islands - too far for this event, but well worth a visit at some other time.
Bjørn mentioned their flying - the Ry Cooder song "Comin' in on a wing and a prayer" seems fairly appropriate. ::) ::)
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More mundane, down-to-Earth projects under preparation for the Scottish Event.
Today's state of my work table. No rain on my Easter Parade, please. (Everything goes according to plan, though. Or so I believe)
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Chris, you where faster than me, as I was about to suggest this trip. It seems that it'd be the cheapest way to take pics of Puffins (I do not why, but I dreamed of this since long time !) and Seal as well.
No sure I would go there in my own, but if somebody else goes, I am in ! ;)
We would have to leave quite early, though.
By the way, I am now 99% decided to come with my car.(I have to find the correct thread to offer my help to get members at Edinburgh airport).
I booked http://www.isleofmayferry.com/may.php (http://www.isleofmayferry.com/may.php) for the Saturday 14th boat trip at 1 PM, so enough time to get there (about 2 hours drive)
And I booked a room at "The Waterfront" i Anstruther (a few minutes walk to the harbor).
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Bjørn, I don't like to see a hammer next to precious lenses!
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I booked http://www.isleofmayferry.com/may.php (http://www.isleofmayferry.com/may.php) for the Saturday 14th boat trip at 1 PM, so enough time to get there (about 2 hours drive)
And I booked a room at "The Waterfront" i Anstruther (a few minutes walk to the harbor).
The seafront at Anstruther is very pretty, if I remember correctly. And if you want kudos from the locals, pronounce the name as "Aynster" (or "Ainster" - anyway, the "a" sound as in same, name, blame, game . . .); that is the Fife way of saying the name.
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Bjørn, I don't like to see a hammer next to precious lenses!
Sometimes more convincing tools are required to complete an operation .... dealing with recalcitrant parts ... bring in the hammer .. that's sorted.
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How is the relay with the Repro Nikkor coming along?
I could use a shot of the relay with a cm ruler along the side to see how long the contraption is,,,
The hole in the support plate is 'only' ø 70mm diameter ;)
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David, what a great puffin shot. The moment is just spot on. One turning backwards and the other in the air. :)
Bjørn, just dump all the stuff in a bag and let Erik sort the bits and pieces out :D
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More mundane, down-to-Earth projects under preparation for the Scottish Event.
Today's state of my work table. No rain on my Easter Parade, please. (Everything goes according to plan, though. Or so I believe)
A 35/1.4 and an inverted 50/1.2? Interesting!
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A 35/1.4 and an inverted 50/1.2? Interesting!
One way of getting a relay with 0.7X scaling factor. The image circle of the 6 mm f/2.8 is too large when the FX camera is in video mode.
Not decided yet whether this is the solution, or using say the Repro-Nikkor 85 mm f/1 lens in conjunction with a reversed TC 1.4X (to get 0.7X) is better. A focusing stage in front is required in either case.
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How is the relay with the Repro Nikkor coming along?
I could use a shot of the relay with a cm ruler along the side to see how long the contraption is,,,
The hole in the support plate is 'only' ø 70mm diameter ;)
Still experimenting, Erik. The system shown in the picture (0.7X using 35/50 lenses) is 20 cm from camera mount to the front F-bayonet. Not sure using the Repro-Nikkor will make the overall length much shorter.
I have variants using a field lens inserted into the system to explore and test as well. These things take time you know. But the basic 0.7X setup shown does work.
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One way of getting a relay with 0.7X scaling factor. The image circle of the 6 mm f/2.8 is too large when the FX camera is in video mode.
Not decided yet whether this is the solution, or using say the Repro-Nikkor 85 mm f/1 lens in conjunction with a reversed TC 1.4X (to get 0.7X) is better. A focusing stage in front is required in either case.
But is there another lens between the fisheye and the inverted 50? Or is it just tubes?
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20 cm is a Perfect length - no need to make it shorter,,,
It would place the support ring at about 10cm from the camera mount.
Thanks
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But is there another lens between the fisheye and the inverted 50? Or is it just tubes?
It's the focusing stage. One needs to get a fine-tune of the interdistances from the relay system to the main lens in front.
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20 cm is a Perfect length - no need to make it shorter,,,
It would place the support ring at about 10cm from the camera mount.
Thanks
I think it's preferable to have the support closer to the camera, if possible. Those two lenses making up the optical part of the relay system are heavy and there will be a leverage effect to the camera mount.
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I'll make sketch to show the support.
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I have made an update in the Lens thread on the '6mm 2.8 Ais'
http://nikongear.net/revival/index.php/topic,3011.msg44751.html#msg44751
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OK, having direct support of the camera solves the problem, if twisting and leveraged tension to the camera bayonet ccan be avoided.
Do remember that once the relay system is installed and the secondary focus is fine-tuned, it will be a rigid component with no further need of adjustment. The fisheye lens itself will be used for focusing (on the pilot system where a fix-focus 7.5 mm fisheye was used, the secondary focusing stage was required to focus the entire system).
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It's the focusing stage. One needs to get a fine-tune of the interdistances from the relay system to the main lens in front.
Excuse my ignorance, but once it is complete and fine-tuned, what will it do? What is it for?
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Bjørn, sounds perfect!
Dave, For video; The video format of the DSLR cameras is 16:9 so is cropping top and bottom of the circular fisheye!
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I booked for the Saturday 14th boat trip at 1 PM, so enough time to get there (about 2 hours drive)
Thanks for the link, Chris !
I just booked the ferry for the same date too.
We have to be there at least half an hour prior departure. So, according Google Maps, the trip duration would be 2hours 11 mn. As on saturday, the traffic should be OK, I think leaving Killin at about 8/8:30am sound sensible if we want have a lunch before crossing. Let's keep in mind that is the end of stay at Killin and we all have to be ready to leave...that means : luggage packed ! ;D
I don't know yet whether I leave Anstruther right after return from isle of May to reach Falkirk (where there is a amazing canal lock to see), or going toward Edinburgh I want to visit on sunday.
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I don't know yet whether I leave Anstruther right after return from isle of May to reach Falkirk (where there is a amazing canal lock to see), or going toward Edinburgh I want to visit on sunday.
It is certainly worth seeing (the Falkirk Boat Lift), and is one of a few things I will recommend to participants if they need a day away from mountains, forests and lochs.
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Ah, that's the one you were talking about. Indeed it should look as spectacular as those horse heads!
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Thanks for the link, Chris !
I just booked the ferry for the same date too.
We have to be there at least half an hour prior departure. So, according Google Maps, the trip duration would be 2hours 11 mn. As on saturday, the traffic should be OK, I think leaving Killin at about 8/8:30am sound sensible if we want have a lunch before crossing. Let's keep in mind that is the end of stay at Killin and we all have to be ready to leave...that means : luggage packed ! ;D
I don't know yet whether I leave Anstruther right after return from isle of May to reach Falkirk (where there is a amazing canal lock to see), or going toward Edinburgh I want to visit on sunday.
Great, then I won't be on my own.
We'll have enough time to get there.
Fingers crossed for some nice wether. :)
See you in Killin. :D
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Ah, that's the one you were talking about. Indeed it should look as spectacular as those horse heads!
The Falkirk / Stirling area has a number of unusual architectural structures - the boat-lift, the kelpies (horse-heads) - and The Pineapple. All are worth a visit.
There is also Stirling Castle (which I don't know very well) and the Wallace Monument.
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What a splendid idea for a roof top :)
I cannot keep track any longer of the beautiful places that we can visit.
Perhaps we could make an itinerary of some sort Sunday - Friday?
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Anybody planning on bringing a handheld radio for communication?
We are with a big group with multiple cars and if I remember correctly mobile coverage isn't available everywhere.
The PMR 446MHz band seems to be license free in the UK at 0.5W as it is in the rest of Europe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PMR446 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PMR446)
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The Falkirk / Stirling area has a number of unusual architectural structures - the boat-lift, the kelpies (horse-heads) - and The Pineapple. All are worth a visit.
There is also Stirling Castle (which I don't know very well) and the Wallace Monument.
Dave, thanks for the additional info. Antonio Gaudi would have smiled when he would have chance to see this pineapple.
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I can bring a total of four walkie-talkie handsets.
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I can bring a total of four walkie-talkie handsets.
Cool, then I'll bring mine so we can communicate over 5 cars :)
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I don't have a walkie-talkie but if you want to lend me one I will accept it gladly.
As for plans I hope to camp at the head of Loch Tay on Friday night then do the Tarmachan ridge the following morning. Check in at the lodge, rest and meet the group.
In the following days I would like to do the Ben Lawers circuit as already discussed.
Other things I am keen on are photographing Glen Etive / Buachaille Etive Mor, Glen Coe, Glen Nevis and beaches near Morar. The castle that Dave showed appeals too.
Obviously much will depend on the weather.
Another thing is timing. I expect the best time to shoot on the west coast will be late. I think eating an early pub dinner on site is probably the most practical option when venturing far into the West.
I am sure that I will not fill all my bucket list; I have to go back on Wednesday.
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I'll post a few images here from time to time, of some of the places around Killin which may interest participants.
This is one of the many forest trails around Killin, and starts from a car park (with sandwich bar) a few km out of the village.
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Two views of Finlarig, our local medieval castle (and very near the oft-quoted "Head of the Loch")
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A location begging for an IR treatment ...
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A joint project. We brain storm a motif and then setup lots of different cams all with the "equivalens"
From the same perspective. I want the visual proof of my assumption that there is no equivalence because
there is no equivalens.
we should be able to get 10 different "35" setups or "50" setups
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There will be young leaves on the trees, possibly, by early May. This changes the situation radically.
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A joint project. We brain storm a motif and then setup lots of different cams all with the "equivalens"
From the same perspective. I want the visual proof of my assumption that there is no equivalence because
there is no equivalens.
we should be able to get 10 different "35" setups or "50" setups
What is the question behind this experiment?
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Simone: Is there visual proof for theoretical equivalence? Or is it just chit chat?
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The stones know the answer . . . but the stones never tell . . .
Part of the neolithic stone circle at Kinnell Farm.
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Simone: Is there visual proof for theoretical equivalence? Or is it just chit chat?
Maybe... maybe yes, maybe not.
I'd leave it remain chit chat and use my time for something more exciting.
I don't get often time off from my family and using it to demonstrate some point with little consequence is not the best use I can make of this precious time.
YMMV
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Simone: Is there visual proof for theoretical equivalence? Or is it just chit chat?
My personal take is that if you managed to fundamentally disprove (e.g. get an opposite effect or be off by orders of magnitude) the predictions of 'equivalence' (within the narrow scope it was originally intended for, and written by experts on optics), you might as well rewrite everything which has been written about optics since Newton. Most of the time people get confused because they cannot keep track of all the assumptions. Plus, any practical use of the concepts will always be only a rough approximation because you can never get the 'ceteris paribus' part exactly right unless you design all lenses and sensors from scratch to spec. Therefore I would expect very little insight from this sort of experiment. Personally, if I find myself in the situation of having to take almost the same photograph with two different formats (this rarely happens) I know what I have to do, and it works to the extent that I can actually control every variable (I usually cannot). What more do you need? We could try to do that for one shot, it would not take too long. Actually you only need one zoom lens and one camera, and the crop feature and you are set.
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Is it the wheel that turns, or is it the cosmos?
The Old Mill, Killin.
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I got an idea. Thanks, Dave.
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Simone & Simone ... Ok Ok, we can leave the scientifical nitpicking out of the way and just have fun.
My point is, that lens (and sensor) character is so different that equivalence cannnot be achieved, because there is no equivalens.
I have seen in several threads here the different drawing characteristics of lenses with the same angle of view, taken from the same point of view (= perspective), that I seriously doubt any assumption of some
50mm f=1.0/1.4 on a m43 sensor being "more or less the same" as a 100 f=2.0/2.8 on a 24x36 qmm sensor or a 75 f=1.4/2.0 on an APS-C
The sensors are of different character ("which sensor of that size?"), the lenses are of extremly different character ("which lens of that focal length?").
My personal take is that if you managed to fundamentally disprove (e.g. get an opposite effect or be off by orders of magnitude) the predictions of 'equivalence' (within the narrow scope it was originally intended for, and written by experts on optics), you might as well rewrite everything which has been written about optics since Newton. Most of the time people get confused because they cannot keep track of all the assumptions. Plus, any practical use of the concepts will always be only a rough approximation because you can never get the 'ceteris paribus' part exactly right unless you design all lenses and sensors from scratch to spec. Therefore I would expect very little insight from this sort of experiment. Personally, if I find myself in the situation of having to take almost the same photograph with two different formats (this rarely happens) I know what I have to do, and it works to the extent that I can actually control every variable (I usually cannot). What more do you need? We could try to do that for one shot, it would not take too long. Actually you only need one zoom lens and one camera, and the crop feature and you are set.
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Simone & Simone ... Ok Ok, we can leave the scientifical nitpicking out of the way and just have fun.
My point is, that lens (and sensor) character is so different that equivalence cannnot be achieved, because there is no equivalens.
I have seen in several threads here the different drawing characteristics of lenses with the same angle of view, taken from the same point of view (= perspective), that I seriously doubt any assumption of some
50mm f=1.0/1.4 on a m43 sensor being "more or less the same" as a 100 f=2.0/2.8 on a 24x36 qmm sensor or a 75 f=1.4/2.0 on an APS-C
The sensors are of different character ("which sensor of that size?"), the lenses are of extremly different character ("which lens of that focal length?").
Of course fun and science can very well go together, but I'm all in favor to think carefully about the question we are addressing.
The points you mention are of course way beyond the simplified theory. There wouldn't be a lot of merit in using them to disprove the basic theory since we all know its limitations. It would be akin to 'disproving' quantum mechanics by tossing around apples and oranges, anyone already knows that those objects don't qualify as microscopic. Anyway, most of us don't get to build our own dream lenses and sensors, we simply pick and choose what's available and gets us close enough to what we want. Obviously, some special lenses with special characters have no 'equivalents' in other formats, which makes the world a more interesting place. I don't believe that anyone disputes that. :)
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For the off-topic-detectors: this is a metaphorical rant on photography!
If a scientific theory is only "laboratory right" and has no merit in real life it is not wrong per se, it is just meaningless?
I recently learned that the correct treatment of soil is often tested in a lab with homogenized and/or sterilized soil.
In real life soil is full of microorganisms, fungi/mycelium, nematodes, worms, plants and other life and it is out in the open.
No meaningful conclusions can be drawn from the sterilized test, except for greenhouse cultures growing in such conditions.
Analogy:
If I setup a photographic quality control scheme in a factory assembly belt I will do anything to exclude external interference factors.
If I am to take photos in the field I choose my tools carefully to be able to achieve the desired pictorial effect, either clean or wild to my liking.
For the first application, the "laws of equivalence" might be useful, for the field they are not.
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Three views of Killin.
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David, did you already warn everyone in Killin for the NikonGear gang? :D
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The NG bandits 8)
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We should all wear black leather jackets.
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I plan to use my high visibility vest - perhaps back it up with a black leather jacket?
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The NG bandits 8)
I believe that the sheriff and his deputies have already fled in a panic into the hills. And the bounty-hunters are gathering. ;D ;D ;D
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The NG bandits 8)
;D ;D
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We should all wear black leather jackets.
Yeah, and rent a bunch of Harley-Davidsons!
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I believe that the sheriff and his deputies have already fled in a panic into the hills. And the bounty-hunters are gathering. ;D ;D ;D
And what about the virgins ;)
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Last time I was in Mallaig (north of Fort William) The full kilted sheriff had a Lee-Enfield rifle... :-) Those were the times when they thought they had also a monster in Loch Morar and musical seals in Loch Nevis (that came to hear whatever music you had on a radio set) !
It was also the first time I saw a telephone post sporting branches and leaves :-) Of course, as a Frenchman I was reminded of the "Auld Alliance" !
I'm sure the NG team will be very well welcomed !
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And what about the virgins ;)
The kelpies had the last few, years ago.
So, since there are no virgins left, here is another of Killin's star attractions - a museum of how country folk lived in the 19th century, or, in this case, until 1968; Moirlanich Longhouse - exterior and an interior. (originally it would have been thatched.)
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Today, very near the Lodges.
Note the weather - we have had a week of this, like most of the UK. But most long-range forecasts for early-to-mid-May are predicting cool, showery conditions with new snow on the hills. Better pack thermal underwear and some rain-gear, I think.
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This was a new discovery for me, just this morning - following a hill-track which I spotted years ago but never tried until now.
This was a summer temporary dwelling, or shieling, and a number are scattered on both sides of the high valley I was following. They probably date from the 18th and 19th centuries - people would come up here in the summer with their sheep and cattle, to take advantage of the rich summer grazing.
If anyone has an interest in this kind of thing I would be delighted to take them there. The hills are the Tarmachans, seen from the north, and with just the lightest dusting of new snow on top of the old seams of spring snow - iron-hard in the morning until the sun starts to soften last night's freeze..
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Very nice shot Dave! I like the view ;)
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Here is another potential project during the gathering, if I got the dates right,
Passage of Mercury in front of the Sun May 09, 2016:
http://nikongear.net/revival/index.php/topic,3435.msg50041.html#msg50041 (http://nikongear.net/revival/index.php/topic,3435.msg50041.html#msg50041)
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Øivind, that's a great idea!
Now all I need is a solar filter and Bjørn's knowledge :)
Bjøøøøøøøøøørn heeeeeelp......
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Was planning on testing the Techart autofocus LEM-FE adapter with the abundance of Ai-S lenses everybody will be bringing but my adapter is planned for shipping in a month or so :'( :'(
Oh well, more time to do other things ;D
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Here is another potential project during the gathering, if I got the dates right,
Passage of Mercury in front of the Sun May 09, 2016:
http://nikongear.net/revival/index.php/topic,3435.msg50041.html#msg50041 (http://nikongear.net/revival/index.php/topic,3435.msg50041.html#msg50041)
OK, that means I will take the Mamyia 500mm and my Baader filter. Maybe also the 2X. Pity the lens does not focus properly to infinity, I have not done anything to try and fix it yet.
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Another thing I'd like to do is to shoot the Glenfinnan railway viaduct when the steam train passes (Harry Potter anyone?).
I have found departure times from Mallaig and Fort William but nothing hinting when trains might be passing Glenfinnan.
Dave, have you got any suggestions?
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Another thing I'd like to do is to shoot the Glenfinnan railway viaduct when the steam train passes (Harry Potter anyone?).
I have found departure times from Mallaig and Fort William but nothing hinting when trains might be passing Glenfinnan.
Dave, have you got any suggestions?
I've attempted this a couple of times, once successfully, once not. It's very important to allow plenty of time to get into a good camera position, probably somewhere to the west of the viaduct. If a train leaves Fort William at, say, 11am, it would not be inappropriate to be walking in to position at 10.30.
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Another thing I'd like to do is to shoot the Glenfinnan railway viaduct when the steam train passes (Harry Potter anyone?).
I have found departure times from Mallaig and Fort William but nothing hinting when trains might be passing Glenfinnan.
Dave, have you got any suggestions?
This would be something for me as well.
I arrive on Monday, so it would be nice to do this somewhere between Tuesday and Friday. :)
I've been there once but no train. :(
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Re the West Highland Line - it seems that there is only one steam train per day, leaving Fort William at 10.15am. The "ordinary" (non-steam) service takes 35 min to reach Glenfinnan station, with a few stops en route, so you can expect the steam service to be a little quicker - perhaps 25 min - as it does not stop until the end of the line at Mallaig. I would aim to be in position by 10.30 at the latest, which means starting the walk-in not later than 10.00. I might come with you; we'll see.
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Oops! :-\
When some very cold, dense low cloud lifted around noon, it revealed that the snowline was down to around 300m. Amongst other things, this meant that my wife, who had gone to visit a friend about 35km from here, probably had to drive most of the way on snow. She is a novice driver and I don't think she has ever driven on snow before. :-\ :-\
As far as Scotland! 2016 is concerned, please DO NOT WORRY. The sun is shining now and the snow is already in retreat. ;) 8)
Just be sure to bring some warm clothes. :-\ :-\ :-\
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In other words, Norwegian summer attire then. :D
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In other words, Norwegian summer attire then. :D
Yes, reindeer-hide and sheepskin it is. ;D
Maybe I spoke a little too soon about the sun - we have heavy falling snow at the moment. :-\
But Mayumi is home safely after her snowy adventure. ;D ;D
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I don't really care about the weather, it can't be much worse than last September in Finland, and I managed to have fun even there. Of course a little bit of sun doesn't hurt.
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Re the West Highland Line - it seems that there is only one steam train per day, leaving Fort William at 10.15am. The "ordinary" (non-steam) service takes 35 min to reach Glenfinnan station, with a few stops en route, so you can expect the steam service to be a little quicker - perhaps 25 min - as it does not stop until the end of the line at Mallaig. I would aim to be in position by 10.30 at the latest, which means starting the walk-in not later than 10.00. I might come with you; we'll see.
Dave, I have been looking on the webpage of the Jacobite here:
http://www.westcoastrailways.co.uk/jacobite/dates-times-prices-jacobite-steam-train.cfm (http://www.westcoastrailways.co.uk/jacobite/dates-times-prices-jacobite-steam-train.cfm)
and they say that there are two trips per day, the first day of operation being Monday the 9th.
Where have you seen that there is only one journey per day? And also light-wise do you think it would work better in the morning or in the afternoon; I think light direction could be better in the afternoon.
Also there is the possibility of shooting the train as it goes toward Fort William, maybe from the south side of the bend (to be facing the incoming train); do you think it would work?
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The service starts on the 9th with one train per day, going up to two trains per day later in the month. I'll seek out the website which said that.
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Wishing all participants a wonderful foto-experience.
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The 9th also contains the rare event of a Mercury Transit. A steam train puffing over the viaduct with the sun + Mercury as a backdrop must be an even rarer scene.
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The 9th also contains the rare event of a Mercury Transit. A steam train puffing over the viaduct with the sun + Mercury as a backdrop must be an even rarer scene.
And somewhat of a technical challenge?
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Since I started the Mercury thread I should probably advice that Mercury will be a very small dot compared to Venus, so a lens setup with an adequately narrow angle of view is called for.
This dpreview post has an image from a previous transit.
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/57488974 (http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/57488974)
The 300mm PF + TC-14E on AW1 or similar sensors should be a travel-able setup though.
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Thanks Øivind! I have stacked the TC20E III and TC14E III on the PF 300 either on D810 or borrow Bjørns Nikon 1,,,
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Also Saturn and Mars may well be visible in the Southern sky quite close together, I have been watching them for a few weeks now!
Sorry chaps but a clear sky and at 0430 needed!
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You have the TC-14E.3, Erik? splendid, always wanted to see how that TC fares in combination with my 200/2 AFS. I use the TC14E.2, which is very good and also useful for my early 300/2.8 AFS.
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Yes and F-mount is cut to fits most lenses now ;)
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Simone, hope that the damage can be repaired in time!
Another thing I'd like to do is to shoot the Glenfinnan railway viaduct when the steam train passes (Harry Potter anyone?).
I have found departure times from Mallaig and Fort William but nothing hinting when trains might be passing Glenfinnan.
Dave, have you got any suggestions?
Sounds interesting!
Anyone able to give an estimate of the distance to the train, i.e. which focal length would be recommendable?
Still pondering which lenses to take and which ones to leave at home... (cabin baggage restrictions)
Thanks in advance!
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Simone, hope that the damage can be repaired in time!
Sounds interesting!
Anyone able to give an estimate of the distance to the train, i.e. which focal length would be recommendable?
Still pondering which lenses to take and which ones to leave at home... (cabin baggage restrictions)
Thanks in advance!
I've been thinking the same and have no clear cut answer.
I tend to think that a short to medium telephoto will be my first port of call, but we'll have to see on site.
A wide angle will probably "dilute" the view on the curved viaduct and the incoming train might look too small, but on the other hand I don't want to close up on the train too much.
I do however have an idea of the place from where I want to be shooting the train when it comes from Fort William, and perhaps a different one for when it comes back from Mallaig.
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I contemplate not to bring the D3 at all but leave it with the D600 for MF and D500 for AF which are fit for the job and
share the same infrastructure.
Lens wise 200-500 for Papageientaucher and other Wild Life.
Then the
AF-S: 50,24,85,60micro,
AI-S: 35,200micro both not chipped
More than enough I guess.
Can someone make me a Sunfilter for the 200-500???
How much will it be?
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We will prepare some filters in various sizes that we can share!
Free of charge ;)
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Steam train and viaduct - Sounds like 6mm focal length ;)
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I am ready to pay for one 95mm.
Will be a valuable material piece of memory....
Could you make one?
I got two and a half left hands....
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I didn't know you wanted to keep it ;) I will see if we can make 95, would help if you have a 'doner' filter ring in 95mm,,,
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I will be bringing a solar filter in 105mm width (for my 500mm lens).
Apart from the Fuji lenses I will also bring a number of Nikon mount lenses, available to share:
28/2 AI (chipped)
35/1.4 AI (chipped)
50/1.2 AIs
75-150/3.5 (chipped)
105/2.5 K (AI's and chipped)
Hartblei Super-rotator 45/3.5 (with chipped adapter)
I can also bring a Samyang 14/2.8 if anyone is interested in using it.
It is boxed in excellent conditions and is available for sale should anyone like/want it.
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I didn't know you wanted to keep it ;) I will see if we can make 95, would help if you have a 'doner' filter ring in 95mm,,,
No. I would have to buy one on ebay. Do you bring the filter foil???
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Thanks for the replies, guys!
Same as Simone I rather lean towards short to medium focal lengths, too.
Something like AF 20/ 35/ 85 (lighter and water proof) or MF 25/ 50/ 135 (more fun!).
I'll leave the stage for others when it comes to big wildlife lenses or lunar photography. ;)
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Steam train and viaduct - Sounds like 6mm focal length ;)
That might be very interesting, but I wouldn't like to have it as my only option. One body with any 70-200 or 80-200, and another with your wide-angle of choice, that's my advice.
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I have everything in the trunk of my car, so I can decide last minute. :)
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The transit will last for roughly 7.5 HOURS.
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The transit will last for roughly 7.5 HOURS.
Sounds like a 7.5-hour "art" film is just begging to be made. ;D ;D
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today I got deliverey.
Ready for you little guys?
https://www.google.de/search?q=papageientaucher&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjEiK_Wv8DMAhURb5oKHQ7RA3oQ_AUIBygB&biw=2144&bih=1218&dpr=0.9
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today I got deliverey.
Ready for you little guys?
https://www.google.de/search?q=papageientaucher&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjEiK_Wv8DMAhURb5oKHQ7RA3oQ_AUIBygB&biw=2144&bih=1218&dpr=0.9
Hope the 'Err' on your camera is not there to stay :D
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Probably short for erratic ;D Buying pro DX-cameras these days..... :D :D :D
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Above three posts were moved from the Scotland travelogue to this Scotland projects topic.
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All good. "Err" was a joke.
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Had a look at BBC weather and...Wow !
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2645632
Lets hope the real weather will be as they predicted ! ::) 8)
Fingers crossed !